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  • 1.) It would not allow recipients more than is needed to survive

    7 46.67%
  • 2.) The reward for getting off welfare would be: recipients could afford more than necessities

    3 20.00%
  • 3.) programs would be temporary (recipients can only be on welfare for a certain period)

    11 73.33%
  • 4.) It would grant small monetary payouts for every step forward

    6 40.00%
  • 5.) Recipients would experience a sufficiently higher standard of living after getting off welfare

    6 40.00%
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Thread: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficient?

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Say What? You think disabled folks should have to work even though they cannot?
    Not at all Kali; you should know me better than that .. ..

    I was just saying that there are disabled folks, I have worked with such clients, who do work and or volunteer; they can be productive members of society ..

    Of course, there are different levels of disability ..

    Of course those that actually cannot contribute should not .. how could they if they weren't able , lol

    I think we may have had a disconnect there or something ???

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    What do you expect when we import poverty via immigration? Adding low skilled labor to the labor force actively depresses wages for the lowest skilled people and prevents them from benefiting by the increased wages which result in period of labor scarcity. Secondly, gains in household income that are occurring are being occluded by the addition of poor people - it's like having a bucket that is filling up with water while someone directly across from you is scooping the water out. Your water level is not rising even though the hose is filling the bucket.
    Blaming poverty and the stagnation of HH income on immigration is absurd.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    since the welfare reform of the nineties things have certainly changed. welfare IS temporary, and in most cases people are required to work or engage in a work related activity. i think that most people don't really know how wlefare works these days, but blanketly assume everyone on welfare is a deadbeat. many times, women with children are on welfare because of deadbeat dads won't won't pay child support. anyway, here is link to florida TANF:

    Florida TANF Program | Florida Temporary Cash Assistance for Needy Families
    I have to snicker at the folks that think there is still welfare to life in this country. They are clueless and really should not be commenting on stuff they know Nothing about! They just know they hate welfare and do not wanna help others-instead of these dumbass folks keeping the rumor you can live well and on welfare for life? Maybe they should get a damn clue or shut the hell up about it.
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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    Sure, the poor are going to agree to this? The religious right are going to agree to it? You are fighting a losing battle on two fronts. Good luck with that.
    So who exactly is caring as the taxpayer's pockets get picked? Who weeps for us? If someone wants the State to help them out then the choice is entirely theirs. If they don't agree, then that's fine. They can go to your house and ask to live with you.

    As for the religious groups, this would be a perfect opportunity for them to help the needy. I'm a big booster of putting one's money where one's mouth is.

    I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you find it funny. Regardless of what your willful myopia allows you to perceive, it is no less true. I don't expect any kind of empathetic reaction from you, no. You have proven already that you aren't capable of caring about anyone beyond your limited little world. I do feel sorry for your descendants though. How will they be able to bear the shame of having you in their family tree, only time can tell.
    That's funny. You have a talent. Keep developing it.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Blaming poverty and the stagnation of HH income on immigration is absurd.
    Indeed, but it's also most convenient. Scapegoats are the bread and butter of the reactionary crowd.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Blaming poverty and the stagnation of HH income on immigration is absurd.
    WHY is it absurd? Argument by assertion isn't convincing.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dog View Post
    Unfortunately, along the same lines there are some single mothers on public assistance who purposely get pregnant to increase the size of the benefit.
    I can tell that most of the folks posting in this thread have no clue how welfare works. After two children in MOST states you do not keep getting more.
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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as much as possible, the need for its own existence. - Ronald Reagan

    Anyway, it just needs to be disincentivized. The truth is that people can live quite well off the dole. I've seen people on all sorts of government assistance with their own place, own car, many of what can be listed as luxuries (air conditioning, computers, gaming consoles, etc.). That has to stop. We need to create the illusion - and make it real - that welfare recipients have a life barely above homelessness. Sardine can for a place, absolutely NO creature comforts, eating cold beans from a can. When you can have generally the same lifestyle as someone who works 40 hours a week without doing a thing, you'd be a fool to trade that in.
    I agree that welfare recipients shouldn't be living high off the hog if they are actually able to work and be self-sufficient - and we should always be looking for ways to eliminate the need for welfare - however, there will always be those in need and they need a safety net and the way I see it there are two options A.) welfare or B.) living wages

    Of course welfare should provide incentives in such a way that the better people do financially, the more rewards they get, thus providing them incentives to get off welfare - but we can't get rid of it completely, even with living wages, unemployment will exist and that requires safety nets

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    WHY is it absurd? Argument by assertion isn't convincing.
    That is why I called your argument absurd.

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    Re: Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficie

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    Indeed, but it's also most convenient. Scapegoats are the bread and butter of the reactionary crowd.
    You know what is most amusing, is that RiverDad is a libertarian and is essentially blaming market forces for poverty.

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