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What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsourced...

What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country?

  • $5.25 - $6.24 per hour

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  • $4.25 - $5.24 per hour

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  • $2.25 - $3.24 per hour

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  • $0.50 - $0.99 per hour

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this question is aimed at those who support outsourcing.

What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsourced company?
This American dollars not Liberian or Canadian dollars.


$7.25 per hour(US federal minimum wage)
$6.25 - $7.24 per hour
$5.25 - $6.24 per hour
$4.25 - $5.24 per hour
$3.25 - $4.24 per hour
$2.25 - $3.24 per hour
$1.00 - $2.24 per hour
$0.50 - $0.99 per hour
$0.00(forced labor) - $0.49 per hour
I don't care how low of a wage they work or if they were forced to work.



The reason I did not put "what ever the going wage is that country" is because that answer is nothing more than a cop out and not an actual answer. If you do not care if people make 50 cents or only pennies an hour or simply do not care if they work in forced labor camps or prisons then have the balls to say that is what you support.
 
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The wage just above the area where there are more jobs than people willing to work them.

I'm against price/cost ceilings and floors, so it's easy to tell why I may have some contempt for minimum wage.
 
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I twould really depend on the cost of living in their country.
 
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$0.00(forced/slave labor) - $0.49 per hour
I don't care how low of a wage they work or if they were forced to work.

How about an intellectually honest poll option:
[x] I don't care how low their wage is, but they shouldn't be forced to work.
 
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The reason I did not put "what ever the going wage is that country" is because that answer is nothing more than a cop out and not an actual answer.

No it isn't. If someone in Indonesia is willing to make shoes for 50 cents per hour, it's because he considers that a good wage.
 
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It is impossible to answer a question like this without knowing the cost of living. If you can get everything you need plus a little left over for 10 bucks a week, then 25 cents and hour is a decent wage.
 
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No it isn't. If someone in Indonesia is willing to make shoes for 50 cents per hour, it's because he considers that a good wage.

More than likely it is because that is all that company is offering.
 
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More than likely it is because that is all that company is offering.

That's true of ANY job in ANY country.
 
Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

James is right, don't forget exploited workers.
 
Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

How about an intellectually honest poll option:
[x] I don't care how low their wage is, but they shouldn't be forced to work.

If you truly could care less how low their wages are is there really a difference between 5-10 cents an hour and slavery?
 
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I'm opposed to forced work camps and the like for humanitarian reasons. I have no comment on specific wages because local economies vary considerably. Any answer I pick would be essentially arbitrary.
 
Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

I used to work for one of those check cashing stores that also offers MoneyGram/Western Union services back in the early 2000s...

There was a man from Mexico who came in every week to cash his check. They usually ranged from $450-650 a week. He would pay the $20-30 fee to cash (not my choice to charge) pocket about $300, then wire the rest (less the fee) to his family in Mexico. As I got to know him I learned that he was sending $100-300 a week to Mexico to care for a total of 15 family members. That money paid their rent for a nice sized house, bought them clothes and food, and allowed them to save a good chunk of money each month so that they could work on getting Visas for the family. It also covered private schooling for 2 children and covered medical expenses for his elderly parents.

So, in Mexico, if you can survive comfortably off $100-300 American a week, I'd say that before taxes you should make between 3.25 and 8.75 an hour for a 40 hour week (to cover tax deductions). Now, if you can survive on less than $100 a week then you could receive wages below 3.25 and still have shelter, food, and clothing.

Here, making $8.75 an hour would only be tolerable for a single person living in a low-cost area like central Indiana or rural Oklahoma (amongst others, I'm sure) and $3.75 an hour wouldn't even be worth the transportation to and from the job.

So, again, it really depends on cost of living.
 
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If you truly could care less how low their wages are is there really a difference between 5-10 cents an hour and slavery?

Yes. If people are not enslaved, they WON'T work for 5-10 cents an hour unless they consider it a decent wage. That's basic economics.
 
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Yes. If people are not enslaved, they WON'T work for 5-10 cents an hour unless they consider it a decent wage. That's basic economics.

Kandahar you are neglecting a lack of worker protections (OP aside) in many countries that are essentially tossed among the sharks of the international market. They often work for the wages they get because they have no alternative.
 
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Kandahar you are neglecting a lack of worker protections (OP aside) in many countries that are essentially tossed among the sharks of the international market.

Let me ask you this: Do Americans earn more than Indonesians simply because the government passed a law saying employers have to pay us more? If so, why not just mandate a minimum wage of a million dollars an hour, so we can all be rich?

They often work for the wages they get because they have no alternative.

Me too.
 
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It absolutely must be tied to cost of living in the country, otherwise it is an airball.
 
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It is impossible to answer a question like this without knowing the cost of living. If you can get everything you need plus a little left over for 10 bucks a week, then 25 cents and hour is a decent wage.

Rent for a 2 br flat in NYC was once 20 bucks a month too....and you could bring a date to the movies and go for hamburgers and ice cream after for a dime
Anyone that works should be able to survive on the wage
 
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Let me ask you this: Do Americans earn more than Indonesians simply because the government passed a law saying employers have to pay us more? If so, why not just mandate a minimum wage of a million dollars an hour, so we can all be rich?

I used to know all these things and reasons for things from international political economy class. Can't remember the term now. Basically countries are desperate for any foreign investment and the governments have to scrapfight over being the lowest cost labor market to outside sources of capital. As for raising the min wage bar to a million bucks... you might as well be communist by that point.
 
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Yes. If people are not enslaved, they WON'T work for 5-10 cents an hour unless they consider it a decent wage. That's basic economics.

No, that's extreme ignorance on your part. Ignorance of basic economics, psychology, business, finance, and politics.
 
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Anyway, this poll is terribly oversimplified. If talking base survival as the minimum standard for a decent wage, then slavery would be acceptable if the slave master is legally obligated to keep his slaves from dying of starvation or exposure, or denied the legal right to kill them himself. But I think we should have much higher standards of human rights than that.
 
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I used to know all these things and reasons for things from international political economy class. Can't remember the term now. Basically countries are desperate for any foreign investment and the governments have to scrapfight over being the lowest cost labor market to outside sources of capital.

Why would anyone work for a wage that they didn't consider fair? If your answer is "because that's the best job they can find," then perhaps they simply need to reevaluate their definition of what is a fair wage. I'd love to get paid ten million dollars a year, but unfortunately I can't find a job that pays me that well. So am I being cheated if I accept a job that pays me less than that, at a wage which still makes me better off? If I was unhappy with my wage, I could look elsewhere.

As for raising the min wage bar to a million bucks... you might as well be communist by that point.

So then you acknowledge that economic forces, not government decrees, are responsible for determining the price of labor in a particular market? If that's the case, who are we to judge what wage people should accept for their labor?

If a factory outsources labor to a country where wages are low like, say, Indonesia, then the Indonesian workers will benefit because they are earning higher wages than they otherwise would. The factory benefits because it is saving money on labor costs. And the American consumers benefit because they are able to buy the same product at a cheaper price.
 
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Why would anyone work for a wage that they didn't consider fair?


1.No choice.Unless you consider starving to death a choice.
2.Next to nothing money is better than no money.
3.They do not know they are seriously being exploited.





And the American consumers benefit because they are able to buy the same product at a cheaper price.

That does the American consumer no good if the American consumer has to take a pay cut because his job was outsourced to a place like China where the worker is making 33 1/2 cents an hour for 80 hours a week and does not do America as a whole any good because the American businesse can't compete with a foreign one that pays their workers practically peanuts(although peanuts might be worth more than what they make), lack of safety and environmental laws.
 
Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

this question is aimed at those who support outsourcing.

What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsourced company?
This American dollars not Liberian or Canadian dollars.


$7.25 per hour(US federal minimum wage)
$6.25 - $7.24 per hour
$5.25 - $6.24 per hour
$4.25 - $5.24 per hour
$3.25 - $4.24 per hour
$2.25 - $3.24 per hour
$1.00 - $2.24 per hour
$0.50 - $0.99 per hour
$0.00(forced labor) - $0.49 per hour
I don't care how low of a wage they work or if they were forced to work.



The reason I did not put "what ever the going wage is that country" is because that answer is nothing more than a cop out and not an actual answer. If you do not care if people make 50 cents or only pennies an hour or simply do not care if they work in forced labor camps or prisons then have the balls to say that is what you support.

it's not really that simple, since the standard of living in different countries varies widely. so $.50/hr in one country might be a lot but be poverty level in another.
 
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it's not really that simple, since the standard of living in different countries varies widely. so $.50/hr in one country might be a lot but be poverty level in another.

$0.5 is poverty level in any country.

It could take someone from being a rural farmer living on the equivalent of $1 a day or being destitute within a city to living in a dorm and having food
 
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1.No choice.Unless you consider starving to death a choice.

I'm sorry but this is bull****. Most people in ANY country have "no choice" but to work for a wage that the market will bear.

2.Next to nothing money is better than no money.

It certainly is. So why would you want to take their jobs away from them by preventing them from working for the market wage?

3.They do not know they are seriously being exploited.

This is an ignorant and patriarchal view of people in other countries, and it assumes that they are inferior to Americans. People may have different cultural values and different levels of education, but they aren't fools who can't figure out if it's worthwhile to take a job. At least, no moreso than Americans are.


For illustrative purposes, imagine that there was a powerful foreign country where the average income was $10,000 per hour and everyone was fabulously wealthy by American standards. Now suppose that this country pitied us poor Americans, so it roundly condemned our government and pressured it to raise the minimum wage to a level they deemed "fair" - say, a mere $500 per hour. Would we really be better off? Or would we just be out of work because not many people were willing to pay that?
 
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