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  • $7.25 per hour(US federal minimum wage)

    3 18.75%
  • $6.25 - $7.24 per hour

    1 6.25%
  • $5.25 - $6.24 per hour

    0 0%
  • $4.25 - $5.24 per hour

    1 6.25%
  • $3.25 - $4.24 per hour

    1 6.25%
  • $2.25 - $3.24 per hour

    1 6.25%
  • $1.00 - $2.24 per hour

    1 6.25%
  • $0.50 - $0.99 per hour

    0 0%
  • $0.00(forced/slave labor) - $0.49 per hour

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  • I don't care how low of a wage they work or if they were forced to work.

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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The real problem is that people here are willing to ignore the terrible conditions which these foreign workers deal with in order to be able to purchase cheap **** they would not be able to afford if the workers were treated fairly.
    Chances are if you were unable to buy a 32 inch tv before the traitors in office started allowing companies to outsourcing I seriously doubt the people in the same income bracket today can afford may of those goods. Besides that low income people buy stuff on sale, on lay-away, buy stuff from stores like a Big Lots, Buy from a thrift store, buy from a pawnshops, rent to own, from fingerhut catalogs which is like rent to own, and maybe even wait until tax returns come in. Low income people are not going to be hurt if Chinese companies are forced to pay a wage similar to what an American factory worker would make.

    People may want to end the exploitation, but they want their cheap HDTV's more.
    Actually I like the regular CRT TVs more, they last a lot longer and are not as fragile as the new TVs.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Chances are if you were unable to buy a 32 inch tv before the traitors in office started allowing companies to outsourcing I seriously doubt the people in the same income bracket today can afford may of those goods.
    When do you think outsourcing started?

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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Generally speaking, the employer wants to pay the lowest possible wage, and the employee wants to receive the highest possible wage. When I say the "wage that the market will bear," I am referring to a wage at which both are made better off: The employer pays a low enough wage that the employee adds more value than he costs, and the employee receives a high enough wage that he doesn't find a job elsewhere. From a more macro perspective, it's the wage that is high enough that it doesn't cause a shortage of workers (which would drive the wage up), and low enough that it doesn't cause too many people to enter the industry (which would drive the wage back down). The market wage will be somewhere in between those points..
    That does not say mean the wage will be fair or that the person working that wage can actually live decent.


    Why are Americans more entitled to those jobs than anyone else?
    Last time I checked those in office represent we the American people, not the Chinese,the Mexicans, Indians(India Indians not native American Indians),Indonesians or any other nation outside our country.Therefore they have no business encouraging businesses to outsource or even making it easy for them to do so.Their job is to look out for the interest of Americans. Americans loosing jobs to China and other countries is not the best interests of Americans. Real American companies being put out of business or having to cut so many corners until their products are junk because they can not compete with foreign ones that that pay their workers 50-120 dollars a month,lack of employee safety and environmental laws like the foreign companies is not in the best interest of America. America being at the mercy of those who produce goods is not in the best interests of Americans.

    And why should you expect them to pay as well elsewhere as they do here, when the economic conditions are completely different?
    Yes.Because the economic conditions are not different for those companies that outsource.The only reason they outsource is because of the they can get away with ripping off workers and paying them practically next to nothing and lack of employee and environmental safety laws.

    That's not a lie, it's just economics. Employers want to spend as little on labor as they can.
    A little less?That is a understatement.If these companies were paying the workers at or slightly below what the minum wage is here then that would be a little less. What companies pay workers in China and what those companies pay used to pay factory workers here even it was minimum wage is as different as the little fence in my back yard to the Great wall of China.

    Suppose that a factory could operate a robot for $10,000 per year that would replace a worker who had been earning $40,000. Would you expect them to overpay for the maintenance of their robot just because they had previously been paying someone more to do the same job?
    No.People are not robots.
    And in some parts of the world, eating rice and living in a shantytown is an improvement over eating nothing at all and being homeless. Just because Americans have the luxury of not needing to think in those terms, doesn't make it objectively wrong for others to do what they need to do to improve their lives

    Moving a factory to another country just so you can cheat a local population out of a decent wages because they dirt poor anyways is seriously wrong.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    When do you think outsourcing started?
    I imagine that outsourcing has been going on for awhile but it didn't seem to skyrocket until after 1996 and afterwards when WTO,NAFTA,KAFTA and any other acronyms that cause Americans to loose their jobs was signed.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The distance between people's self labeling and the positions they take can be amusing at times.

    Here you have the "very conservative" James Rage arguing for social justice and the "liberal" Kandahar arguing against it.
    I do not think its social justice to demand that companies do not outsource so they can get away with paying workers 50-120 dollars a month still leaving them in poverty and not have any worker and enviromental safety laws to adhere to. I do not think it is social justice to want to keep companies in America or to at least either enact tariffs on companies that do not pay at or close to the standard wage is in America so that companies can actually compete without turning their products into junk. Nor do I think it is social justice to want America to produce more goods so that we are not at the mercy of other countries.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I imagine that outsourcing has been going on for awhile but it didn't seem to skyrocket until after 1996 and afterwards when WTO,NAFTA,KAFTA and any other acronyms that cause Americans to loose their jobs was signed.
    I'd say that's a fair assessment. I aksed so that I could make a valid analysis of your statement "Chances are if you were unable to buy a 32 inch tv before the traitors in office started allowing companies to outsourcing I seriously doubt the people in the same income bracket today can afford may of those goods."

    If you look at TV prices in the 90's, you can see that they were way higher than prices for comparable sized TV's today: TV Set Prices

    Look at the price of a 28" Samsung in 1997: $750

    Today, the most expensive Samsung TV in a similar size range I could find was this one: Samsung - 26" Class / LED / 720p / 60Hz / HDTV - UN26D4003

    One can get a 51" inch samsung TV for a similar price: Samsung - 51" Class / Plasma / 1080p / 600Hz / HDTV - PN51D530A3 these days.

    I don't have a comprehensive list of prices from the 90's, unfortunately, but I remember the prices for TV's being much higher than they are today. If we adjust for inflation, the prices are insanely lower. People in the same income bracket today as they were back then can easily afford stuff that they couldn't back in the early and mid 90's. Especially when inflation is taken into account.

    That's how outsourcing keeps itself around. It essentially bribes the people who are most negatively affected by it into becoming the very force that sustains it. If people could part with their cheaply made nice ****, and refrain from making outsourcing profitable, then outsourcing would stop.

    But the problem is, people are dumb. While one person out of every 1,000 might be willing to make such "sacrifice" due to the fact that they are smart enough to see how the bigger picture, most people won't have a clue and they'll continue to engage in self-defeating behaviors for the sake of instant gratification.

    This makes the effort from the 1 out of every 1,000 entirely futile, so eventually they just give up and rail against the situation, wishing that people weren't so stupid and self-defeating.

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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    The jobs I and my wife worked on moving overseas were high paying ones. The lowest paying were the electronic assembly jobs, but those were not the most desirable to move overseas or Mexico. The ones that management, therefore my wife and I, really worked on moving were the engineering jobs, especially the design engineering jobs. That’s where the caculated savings for the company are, if you can do it. The savings were not as much as caculated for many reasons, but the most important one with our experience was the lies that the overseas firms told about the qualifications of the engineers and the IP theft. I started working on moving jobs out of the US about 25 years ago, quit when I retired 10 years ago. My wife was an consultant supporting it until she retired about a year ago. Not something we wanted to do, but it was required by company management. Therefore, I don’t understand this poll at all.
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    this question is aimed at those who support outsourcing.

    What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsourced company?
    This American dollars not Liberian or Canadian dollars.


    $7.25 per hour(US federal minimum wage)
    $6.25 - $7.24 per hour
    $5.25 - $6.24 per hour
    $4.25 - $5.24 per hour
    $3.25 - $4.24 per hour
    $2.25 - $3.24 per hour
    $1.00 - $2.24 per hour
    $0.50 - $0.99 per hour
    $0.00(forced labor) - $0.49 per hour
    I don't care how low of a wage they work or if they were forced to work.



    The reason I did not put "what ever the going wage is that country" is because that answer is nothing more than a cop out and not an actual answer. If you do not care if people make 50 cents or only pennies an hour or simply do not care if they work in forced labor camps or prisons then have the balls to say that is what you support.
    What does this stand for in your question? $

    Are you asking how many dollars foreign workers should be paid and if so why are you asking it like this?

    How can anybody answer this with the information you have provided? It is country specific.

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