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  • $6.25 - $7.24 per hour

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  • $5.25 - $6.24 per hour

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  • $4.25 - $5.24 per hour

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  • $3.25 - $4.24 per hour

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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    yeah, I just threw 50 cents out there as a number. point is my hourly salary has different buying power depending on where I am.

    During my last deployment:

    at the MOB station in TX a carton of smokes was around 40 bucks at wally world
    on post that same carton of smokes was around 35 bucks at the PX
    get into theater and that same carton of smokes 23 bucks at the cantina
    go off the COB in Iraq and you could get a carton of Marlboros from a hadji shop for 7 dollars
    So, what does this prove ?
    That people earn enough to buy "slow suicide sticks" ?
    Or that they are overpaid ?
    And under-educated....

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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    So, what does this prove ?
    That people earn enough to buy "slow suicide sticks" ?
    Or that they are overpaid ?
    And under-educated....
    proves that depending or where you are, your hourly wage is worth more or less.

    my hourly rate in the US puts me in the middle class. a guy in mexico making the same hourly rate would be considered rich.

    it really isn't that hard to understand, unless you are retarded.
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    So what have we learned so far? What's this thread all about?

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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    So what have we learned so far? What's this thread all about?
    that the question asked in the OP is overly simplistic?
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    While I would agree with you on this specific example, the purchasing power of 50 cents can vary greatly around the world, which I think is what Oscar was trying to say.
    Can a Chinese factory worker purchase the same quality of home and food on 23 - 33 cents per hour for 80 hours a week that a factory worker in the US did before the factory they worked at was outsourced? I have to wonder because the article I looked at said that the factory worker in China can not afford things such as simple toys for her child's birth or buy meat. I keep seeing posters copping out and just putting what ever the standard of living is, it seems that in China the standard of living for a factory worker is actual poverty.


    washingtonpost.com: Chinese Workers Pay for Wal-Mart's Low Prices
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    So what have we learned so far? What's this thread all about?
    People who support outsourcing could care less how exploited and ripped off a worker is regardless if that worker is practically working for free?
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    The real problem is that people here are willing to ignore the terrible conditions which these foreign workers deal with in order to be able to purchase cheap **** they would not be able to afford if the workers were treated fairly.

    People may want to end the exploitation, but they want their cheap HDTV's more.

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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    The distance between people's self labeling and the positions they take can be amusing at times.

    Here you have the "very conservative" James Rage arguing for social justice and the "liberal" Kandahar arguing against it.
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What do you mean by what the market will bear? The lowest amount of money and highest amount of hours some one will work before they say no? Or do you mean the lowest amount of money a company can get away with paying someone?
    Generally speaking, the employer wants to pay the lowest possible wage, and the employee wants to receive the highest possible wage. When I say the "wage that the market will bear," I am referring to a wage at which both are made better off: The employer pays a low enough wage that the employee adds more value than he costs, and the employee receives a high enough wage that he doesn't find a job elsewhere. From a more macro perspective, it's the wage that is high enough that it doesn't cause a shortage of workers (which would drive the wage up), and low enough that it doesn't cause too many people to enter the industry (which would drive the wage back down). The market wage will be somewhere in between those points.

    I would rather that Americans be working those jobs, but if the are going to outsource jobs then those people should be making close to what someone over here would make.
    Why are Americans more entitled to those jobs than anyone else? And why should you expect them to pay as well elsewhere as they do here, when the economic conditions are completely different?

    No it is not. It assumes that these companies are lying to these people telling them that can't pay them more money when they have for decades been paying Americans more money to do those jobs.
    That's not a lie, it's just economics. Employers want to spend as little on labor as they can. Suppose that a factory could operate a robot for $10,000 per year that would replace a worker who had been earning $40,000. Would you expect them to overpay for the maintenance of their robot just because they had previously been paying someone more to do the same job?

    An American can not take a job that pays 33 cents per hour that requires that you work 80 hours a week. It possible they can take a job like that but they would be living in something like this eating rice and other cheap food-
    And in some parts of the world, eating rice and living in a shantytown is an improvement over eating nothing at all and being homeless. Just because Americans have the luxury of not needing to think in those terms, doesn't make it objectively wrong for others to do what they need to do to improve their lives.
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The distance between people's self labeling and the positions they take can be amusing at times.

    Here you have the "very conservative" James Rage arguing for social justice and the "liberal" Kandahar arguing against it.
    I am not arguing against social justice; I'm all for providing unemployment benefits for those who lose their jobs to outsourcing, and retraining them in other areas. Furthermore, you have an odd definition of "social justice" if it involves taking jobs away from relatively poor people in developing countries so that those jobs can continue to be held by middle-class Americans, while also driving up the prices of consumer goods for Americans which will disproportionately hurt the poor. Free trade has been a huge engine of growth and has greatly reduced global income disparity; in the last 20 years it has lifted BILLIONS of people out of poverty, especially in Asia.

    Frankly I'm just as tired of liberals fighting for comfy middle-class privilege at the expense of the poor (even if they pretend it's for the noble purpose of sticking it to The Man), as I am of conservatives fighting for Ayn Rand's ideals at the expense of the poor.
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