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  • $6.25 - $7.24 per hour

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  • $5.25 - $6.24 per hour

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  • $4.25 - $5.24 per hour

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  • $0.00(forced/slave labor) - $0.49 per hour

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  • I don't care how low of a wage they work or if they were forced to work.

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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I used to know all these things and reasons for things from international political economy class. Can't remember the term now. Basically countries are desperate for any foreign investment and the governments have to scrapfight over being the lowest cost labor market to outside sources of capital.
    Why would anyone work for a wage that they didn't consider fair? If your answer is "because that's the best job they can find," then perhaps they simply need to reevaluate their definition of what is a fair wage. I'd love to get paid ten million dollars a year, but unfortunately I can't find a job that pays me that well. So am I being cheated if I accept a job that pays me less than that, at a wage which still makes me better off? If I was unhappy with my wage, I could look elsewhere.

    As for raising the min wage bar to a million bucks... you might as well be communist by that point.
    So then you acknowledge that economic forces, not government decrees, are responsible for determining the price of labor in a particular market? If that's the case, who are we to judge what wage people should accept for their labor?

    If a factory outsources labor to a country where wages are low like, say, Indonesia, then the Indonesian workers will benefit because they are earning higher wages than they otherwise would. The factory benefits because it is saving money on labor costs. And the American consumers benefit because they are able to buy the same product at a cheaper price.
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why would anyone work for a wage that they didn't consider fair?

    1.No choice.Unless you consider starving to death a choice.
    2.Next to nothing money is better than no money.
    3.They do not know they are seriously being exploited.





    And the American consumers benefit because they are able to buy the same product at a cheaper price.
    That does the American consumer no good if the American consumer has to take a pay cut because his job was outsourced to a place like China where the worker is making 33 1/2 cents an hour for 80 hours a week and does not do America as a whole any good because the American businesse can't compete with a foreign one that pays their workers practically peanuts(although peanuts might be worth more than what they make), lack of safety and environmental laws.
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    this question is aimed at those who support outsourcing.

    What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsourced company?
    This American dollars not Liberian or Canadian dollars.


    $7.25 per hour(US federal minimum wage)
    $6.25 - $7.24 per hour
    $5.25 - $6.24 per hour
    $4.25 - $5.24 per hour
    $3.25 - $4.24 per hour
    $2.25 - $3.24 per hour
    $1.00 - $2.24 per hour
    $0.50 - $0.99 per hour
    $0.00(forced labor) - $0.49 per hour
    I don't care how low of a wage they work or if they were forced to work.



    The reason I did not put "what ever the going wage is that country" is because that answer is nothing more than a cop out and not an actual answer. If you do not care if people make 50 cents or only pennies an hour or simply do not care if they work in forced labor camps or prisons then have the balls to say that is what you support.
    it's not really that simple, since the standard of living in different countries varies widely. so $.50/hr in one country might be a lot but be poverty level in another.
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    it's not really that simple, since the standard of living in different countries varies widely. so $.50/hr in one country might be a lot but be poverty level in another.
    $0.5 is poverty level in any country.

    It could take someone from being a rural farmer living on the equivalent of $1 a day or being destitute within a city to living in a dorm and having food
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    1.No choice.Unless you consider starving to death a choice.
    I'm sorry but this is bull****. Most people in ANY country have "no choice" but to work for a wage that the market will bear.

    2.Next to nothing money is better than no money.
    It certainly is. So why would you want to take their jobs away from them by preventing them from working for the market wage?

    3.They do not know they are seriously being exploited.
    This is an ignorant and patriarchal view of people in other countries, and it assumes that they are inferior to Americans. People may have different cultural values and different levels of education, but they aren't fools who can't figure out if it's worthwhile to take a job. At least, no moreso than Americans are.


    For illustrative purposes, imagine that there was a powerful foreign country where the average income was $10,000 per hour and everyone was fabulously wealthy by American standards. Now suppose that this country pitied us poor Americans, so it roundly condemned our government and pressured it to raise the minimum wage to a level they deemed "fair" - say, a mere $500 per hour. Would we really be better off? Or would we just be out of work because not many people were willing to pay that?
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm sorry but this is bull****. Most people in ANY country have "no choice" but to work for a wage that the market will bear.
    What do you mean by what the market will bear? The lowest amount of money and highest amount of hours some one will work before they say no? Or do you mean the lowest amount of money a company can get away with paying someone?


    It certainly is. So why would you want to take their jobs away from them by preventing them from working for the market wage?
    I would rather that Americans be working those jobs, but if the are going to outsource jobs then those people should be making close to what someone over here would make.
    This is an ignorant and patriarchal view of people in other countries,
    No it is not. It assumes that these companies are lying to these people telling them that can't pay them more money when they have for decades been paying Americans more money to do those jobs.


    and it assumes that they are inferior to Americans.
    No it doesn't.Again it assumes that companies are lying to these people telling them that they can't pay them more money when Americans have been doing those jobs for decades.



    People may have different cultural values and different levels of education, but they aren't fools who can't figure out if it's worthwhile to take a job.
    At least, no moreso than Americans are.
    An American can not take a job that pays 33 cents per hour that requires that you work 80 hours a week. It possible they can take a job like that but they would be living in something like this eating rice and other cheap food-


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    For illustrative purposes, imagine that there was a powerful foreign country where the average income was $10,000 per hour and everyone was fabulously wealthy by American standards. Now suppose that this country pitied us poor Americans, so it roundly condemned our government and pressured it to raise the minimum wage to a level they deemed "fair" - say, a mere $500 per hour. Would we really be better off? Or would we just be out of work because not many people were willing to pay that?
    These outsourced companies in China are paid by so called American companies that were paying Americans above minimum wage for 40 hours a week to produce the same goods that Chinese workers make now at 33 cents per hour for 80 hours a week.

    For illustrative purposes imagine a powerful foreign country were the average income was $10,000 per hour and fabulous wealthy by American standards.Now supposedly all the politicians in all parties(just like Bill Clinton and the republicans did in the 1990s) in that country decided to stick their tongues in the assholes of these companies to toss their salad for votes and campaign contributions by loosening any tariffs and barriers that basically allowed those companies in that country all outsourced to china and other countries where they can pay practically next to nothing even though these same companies are fully capable of paying a $10,000 per hour. Do you think that over time that country would still be fabulously wealthy and powerful country by American standards even though almost all the companies outsourced and the ones that did stay cut so many corners their products are now junk in order to compete with now Chinese companies?
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    it's not really that simple, since the standard of living in different countries varies widely. so $.50/hr in one country might be a lot but be poverty level in another.
    If you are making 50 cents an hour in China I do not think you are living in the same quality of home and eating the same quality of food that an American who used to that factory job before it was outsourced to china.
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you are making 50 cents an hour in China I do not think you are living in the same quality of home and eating the same quality of food that an American who used to that factory job before it was outsourced to china.
    While I would agree with you on this specific example, the purchasing power of 50 cents can vary greatly around the world, which I think is what Oscar was trying to say.
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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    While I would agree with you on this specific example, the purchasing power of 50 cents can vary greatly around the world, which I think is what Oscar was trying to say.
    yeah, I just threw 50 cents out there as a number. point is my hourly salary has different buying power depending on where I am.

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    Re: What is too low of a wage for a worker in another country working for a outsource

    This is , of course, impossible for me to answer.
    Traditionally, the working man has been paid the lowest possible wage..Just enough to keep him from rebelling and striking.
    Is this right ?

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