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Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

Why is the middle class the most crippled by income tax? Select all that apply

  • Allowing many people to have a shot at being uber-wealthy is dangerous

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • Making the uber-wealthy share the load would be bad for the economy

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The middle class do not have as much of an influence on politics as the wealthy do

    Votes: 24 75.0%
  • The idea that the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax is a myth

    Votes: 9 28.1%
  • A few wealthy, a few more middle class and many lower class citizens is best

    Votes: 2 6.3%

  • Total voters
    32
How do you feel turtle ? like your winning yet :) Oh just an addition...I wont be responding to any more of you silly trying to bait me posts in this thread...so dont waste your time...instead you should help your groupie bone up on his diction. :)
 
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It is fair to say no one has come close to proving that the middle class-no matter how that is defined
be it the 80% in the middle or the mid three quintiles, are overly burdened with the income tax. BTW that is the group that determines who wins elections
 
Moderator's Warning:
Stick to the topic and stop making it personal or else.
 
Not taxing someone is giving them money? Or did the 'cry wolf project' cheat with context.

When the rich get their $58,000 tax break on average each year, they have $58,000 more each year than they would have had without the tax break given to them.
 
I know several gays who only support the dems because of gay marriage. true, by voting for dems they support the racist policies you have detailed. But I have a hard time calling them racists when they also oppose affirmative action, welfare handouts and other racist policies even though being single issue voters they often end up voting for supporters of racist policies

That they support Dems makes them racist, even if they're just selling out for their single issue, because they are still supporting racist policies regardless of their motivation.
 
actually those who work the most for racist institutions are often the most vehement in denouncing racism and labeling their opponents "racists"

Yes Turtle & Jerry, we know what both of you BELIEVE. We know what you want to BELEIVE. You both have made that very very clear in thread after thread and in thousands of posts where you give us your BELIEFS . Stating ones BELIEFS is a great first step in this process.

It would be great if you now advanced those statements of BELIEF to the level of the main purpose of this website - DEBATE.

Now all you have to do is

1 - Show us with evidence just who "racist institutions" are.
2- Show us with evidence just what they are doing that make them "racist".
3- Show us with evidence how denouncing racism makes one a "racist".
4 - Show us how labeling others as "racist" is somehow prima facie evidence of "racism".

I am sure all of us look forward to seeing you develop all of these components necessary to elevate your allegations to actual DEBATE.
 
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When the rich get their $58,000 tax break on average each year, they have $58,000 more each year than they would have had without the tax break given to them.

Uh and in your mind that means the government "Gave" the rich money?

The rich still pay far more than their share of the income. No other group once you are below the top few percent PAY MORE OF THE INCOME tax burden than THEIR SHARE OF THE INCOME.
 
Yes Turtle & Jerry, we know what both of you BELIEVE. We know what you want to BELEIVE. You both have made that very very clear in thread after thread and in thousands of posts where you give us your BELIEFS . Stating ones BELIEFS is a great first step in this process.

It would be great if you now advanced those statements of BELIEF to the level of the main purpose of this website - DEBATE.

Now all you have to do is

1 - Show us with evidence just who "racist institutions" are.
2- Show us with evidence just what they are doing that make them "racist".
3- Show us with evidence how denouncing racism makes one a "racist".
4 - Show us how labeling others as "racist" is somehow prima facie evidence of "racism".

I am sure all of us look forward to seeing you develop all of these components necessary to elevate your allegations to actual DEBATE.

affirmative action is racist and there is no doubt about that. People are rewarded or punished based on race and race alone
 
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When the rich get their $58,000 tax break on average each year, they have $58,000 more each year than they would have had without the tax break given to them.

At least they paid it to begin with. Half of the people you see walking down the street don't need a 58K tax break because they don't owe a cent of it. Taking something from someone just because they have it is theft. Doing it under the guise of government does not make it moral.

You may as well run down Wall Street and hold the suits up at gunpoint. You're just using a bigger weapon than a gun when you stand behind Washington.
 
affirmative action is racist and there is no doubt about that. People are rewarded or punished based on race and race alone

So it is your contention that Affirmative action is a program designed to make African Americans and others superior to Whites and to empower institutions to protect and further that sense of superiority?

We get that you are against affirmative actions programs. Understood. But how does that make the programs racist and their advocates racists?

Are you labeling both President Richard Nixon and President Ronald Reagan as "racists" because they issued orders advancing affirmative action?

http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/aahist.html
 
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So it is your contention that Affirmative action is a program designed to make African Americans and others superior to Whites and to empower institutions to protect and further that sense of superiority?

We get that you are against affirmative actions programs. Understood. But how does that make the programs racist and their advocates racists?

Haymarket, Affirmative Action has been overused and abused. Its original intent has long been met. I dont want to relate specifics but I know personally of incidents of racism being the motivation with affirmate action events. Its time for affirmative action to end...its now enhancing racial tensions...and frankly I dont believe its needed any more...the playing field is leveled...its not so much racism against one race now...theres wholesale bias towards the middleclass and poor and that includes all races and ethnicities
 
If anything, it's tilted the tables too much. It shook my beloved alma mater. Apparently the minorities with lower scores applying to the University of Michigan's law school got a little pissed that all these white boys with 4.0s were taking the spots.

I remember back in one of the New England states, a test given to help base promotions was given to fireman, but was discredited when it was found that 19 of the top 20 scores were from white people.

We've fallen long astray from the original purpose of AA. You're right there.
 
At least they paid it to begin with.

No they paid $58,000 less than their share without the temporary tax break.

Half of the people you see walking down the street don't need a 58K tax break because they don't owe a cent of it.

No one is suggesting a $58,000 tax break for everyone.

Taking something from someone just because they have it is theft. Doing it under the guise of government does not make it moral.

Taxes are the rule of law in this country. Have been for a century and a half. If you are looking for low taxes and no regulation, see Somalia.

You may as well run down Wall Street and hold the suits up at gunpoint. You're just using a bigger weapon than a gun when you stand behind Washington.

You don't know much about the rule of law in this country, do you?
 
...and how they, Democrats, who composed the major majority of southern politicians at the time, actively worked against everything Dr. King fought for.
Ok what is your point.... The republicans were once liberal back when Abe Lincoln was president... The Dems and Republicans have switched on many issues over the time.

I find it truly ironic that Blacks flock to the Democrat party today...a sort of cultural Stockholm Syndrome,
Uhhh mainly because of several issues... And mainly because we dont live back in the 1950's anymore......

where the liberal left have perfected a sophisticated form of slavery.
The liberal left is "enslaving" us now...? Huh? Any examples of this?

The Left has simply traded the whip for the entitlement, and in so doing retain more control over Blacks and destroy more Black families then ever before.
Ohhhh im scared now with all these talking points..... Really scared...
Before you speak nonsense on how we are becoming "slaves" to the "liberal left", please give us examples....
 
No they paid $58,000 less than their share without the temporary tax break.



No one is suggesting a $58,000 tax break for everyone.



Taxes are the rule of law in this country. Have been for a century and a half. If you are looking for low taxes and no regulation, see Somalia.



You don't know much about the rule of law in this country, do you?

why do the welfare socialist tax the rich more crowd constantly bring up somalia? we who oppose more entitlement addictions and more using the money of the productive to buy the votes of dem minions support government and its proper functions
 
Ok what is your point.... The republicans were once liberal back when Abe Lincoln was president... The Dems and Republicans have switched on many issues over the time.


Uhhh mainly because of several issues... And mainly because we dont live back in the 1950's anymore......


The liberal left is "enslaving" us now...? Huh? Any examples of this?


Ohhhh im scared now with all these talking points..... Really scared...
Before you speak nonsense on how we are becoming "slaves" to the "liberal left", please give us examples....

Where can I find these talking points online?

If you could link to where you're reading them, to then compare my statements to them and conclude I'm speaking talking points, I would sincerely appreciate it.
 
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Where can I find these talking points online?

If you could link to where you're reading them, to then compare my statements to them and conclude I'm speaking talking points, I would sincerely appreciate it.

Ok.......

Glenn Beck: Slavery was a liberal cause - latimes.com
Ron Paul compares Social Security and Medicare to slavery | Raw Replay
Modern Day Slavery, Liberal Racism
Rand Paul Equates Universal Health Care And Slavery | Vision to America
Rand Paul’s Ridiculous Slavery Analogy
https://www.amconmag.com/blog/2011/04/14/liberals-for-slavery/


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Still waiting on these "left wing slavery" examples on how the left wing wants to enslave us all!!!
I know you caught us, its our plan to make you our slaves.....
 

Oh I thought you had like a single page with the talking points presenting in like a bullet-point format or something.

Yeah I don't listen to Beck or any of the Pauls, and I don't plan on starting. Strange that you frequent all those sites, though. Oh well, thanks for giving their websites your traffic, I guess. If you come across a bullet-point page of the talking points please let me know. I would live to keep up on it.

P.S.
Still waiting on these "left wing slavery" examples on how the left wing wants to enslave us all!!!
I know you caught us, its our plan to make you our slaves.....

Well I already gave specific examples, so if you're waiting then that's on you, but I'm not waiting for you to wait for me to re-post anything. Have a nice day :2wave:
 
why do the welfare socialist tax the rich more crowd constantly bring up somalia?

I don't know any welfare socialists, but my guess would be because it is the closest country to the libertarian utopia that currently exists on the planet.
 
I don't know any welfare socialists, but my guess would be because it is the closest country to the libertarian utopia that currently exists on the planet.

if you believe in income redistribution of a moderate to large scale you are a welfare socialist
 
if you believe in income redistribution of a moderate to large scale you are a welfare socialist

I don't subscribe to the fascist's theory that eliminating temporary tax breaks for the richest is socialism.
 
I don't subscribe to the fascist's theory that eliminating temporary tax breaks for the richest is socialism.

who cares. the income tax itself was supposed to be temporary
 
who cares. the income tax itself was supposed to be temporary

Are you familiar with the rule of law in this country? What you wish to be true and what is true are two different things.
 
Oh I thought you had like a single page with the talking points presenting in like a bullet-point format or something.
Uhhh sorry that i dont carry around one of those...

Yeah I don't listen to Beck or any of the Pauls, and I don't plan on starting. Strange that you frequent all those sites, though. Oh well, thanks for giving their websites your traffic, I guess. If you come across a bullet-point page of the talking points please let me know. I would live to keep up on it.
Well those are talkingpoints are they not.. You asked this: "If you could link to where you're reading them, to then compare my statements to them and conclude I'm speaking talking points, I would sincerely appreciate it." I provided it....
 
who cares. the income tax itself was supposed to be temporary

Uhhhhh no its not.... No where does it say that income tax was supposed to be temporary... It was on the table to be temporary but in the end it was decided not be temporary.

Turtle this is how i view your tax ideas:
"My taxes are to high, everyone else is a freeloader." We say: "Turtle you do realize that taxes are at a historic low." You say: "Everyone that wants to raise taxes, is igniting class warfare, and a bunch of welfare socialists, and no they are not remember in the 1700's when it was 0%!" We say: "Turtle is a proven fact that are at historic lows, sense taxes were higher around the 1940's to the 1990's were the rich oppressed and was class warfare going on then?" Turtle says: "FREE LOADER! SOCIALIST! 51% of people didn't even pay taxes!" Then we all go :doh
Oh and then we have a good laugh :lamo
 
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