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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Frivolous lawsuits, lawyers milking and draining the country dry out of greed...same with corporations and thier lawyers working tirelessly for HUGE fees to assure GE doesnt pay a dime in taxs and of course the lawyer politicans that protect the American Bar Association from tort reform...that would save the country billions.
    WHen you get LAWYERS like now Indicted John Edwards who is just one of thousands Malpractice lawyers amassed 150,000,000 suing doctors which in turn COSTS all americans who have to pay for it....bankruptcy lawyers who hawk on tv ads come to me ill make you DEBT free the rest of america can pay for you and me.
    Thats whats milking the country NOT THE POOR...not the people that YOU dont even want to have a minimum wage protection...its the RICH that milk the country and always have been.....you say the same thing over and over ad nauseum I guess you hope and pray one day someone, anyone will believe you...lol...wont be me
    your stereotyping all lawyers gets old because you are mad that I have slapped around some of your poorly reasoned emotobabbling posts. Blaming me for John Edwards--who is a DEMOCRAT AS YOU ARE-is as silly as me noting you are no different than those cops in NYC who sodomized Abner Louima with a broom handle or the morons who shot some poor immigrant 42 times for no reason.

    minimum wage is silly. it hurts the least talented from getting jobs. it is a payback for the unions who often tie their wage rates to the MW.

    btw I defend doctors in malpractice suits.



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why do you keep pretending you can speak for those you want to soak with more taxes?
    I speak as a tax paying American who has the right to vote and express my opinions on what I feel is best for my country.

    If the majority of the uber-wealthy don't want to spare a few percentages, cry me a river.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you assume that those you wish to punish have the same spending patterns as you do. You are just making stuff up.
    This "punishment" straw man really does not help your case

    I never said anything about anyone's spending patterns .. pay attention .. read a little, it helps

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and you miss a key point. we are in the mess we are in because too many people expect too much government that they don't pay for.
    actually, I believe that is due to greedy business men making bad deals in addition to government corruption via special interest groups padding the pockets of our government officials

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    It has been shown that the middle class pays the most crippling amount of income taxes and the middle class is relatively small. Crippling means that the ratio of living expenses to income tax makes it so that despite one’s increased income, the standard of living has not gone up much and there is still significant hardship. It is clear that most making above $250,000 are not crippled by income tax and instead cannot wrap their minds around the concept of progressive taxation (even though the wealthiest find loopholes out of such taxation). So, why is this the case? Why does the middle class shoulder the largest relative tax burden?
    The very existence of classes precludes the notion of absolute quality. As classes will always exist, equality is an unachievable goal. Therefore, abandon it.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I speak as a tax paying American who has the right to vote and express my opinions on what I feel is best for my country.

    If the majority of the uber-wealthy don't want to spare a few percentages, cry me a river.



    This "punishment" straw man really does not help your case

    I never said anything about anyone's spending patterns .. pay attention .. read a little, it helps



    actually, I believe that is due to greedy business men making bad deals in addition to government corruption via special interest groups padding the pockets of our government officials
    socialists are always generous with someone else's money. they take credit for distributing wealth that others earned.

    You really aren't learned enough as to the rich and their costs of living to speak with such arrogance towards those who actually pay far more of the taxes than you do. Until you pay the same amount of dollars "the rich do" in taxes you have no standing to demand they pay even more.

    You need to stop worrying about what others make and stop scheming to justify more of their wealth being taken by the government.



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The very existence of classes precludes the notion of absolute quality. As classes will always exist, equality is an unachievable goal. Therefore, abandon it.
    the entire thread is based on an idiotic assumption-that the middle class pay a "crippling" amount of income tax. that is utter bovine excrement



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the entire thread is based on an idiotic assumption-that the middle class pay a "crippling" amount of income tax. that is utter bovine excrement
    In your skewed opinion based on your own interests - perhaps. But for the vast majority of America, perhaps not once you consider what percentage of income it takes an average working person just to keep body and soul together compared to the large amounts of extra discretionary income the wealthy have.

    That seems to the point you are missing or at least refuse to even consider.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In your skewed opinion based on your own interests - perhaps. But for the vast majority of America, perhaps not once you consider what percentage of income it takes an average working person just to keep body and soul together compared to the large amounts of extra discretionary income the wealthy have.

    That seems to the point you are missing or at least refuse to even consider.
    tell us what percentiles do you consider the middle class?

    if the middle class cannot afford to pay their artificially low income tax rates, maybe they should stop voting for more and more government.

    and you are ignoring the value received side of the ledger-as usual. it sort of bitch slaps your view on what is a proper level of taxation



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    if the middle class cannot afford to pay their artificially low income tax rates, maybe they should stop voting for more and more government.

    and you are ignoring the value received side of the ledger-as usual. it sort of bitch slaps your view on what is a proper level of taxation
    Why would the American people willingly give up their right to vote so you and the wealthy can 'bitch slap' (to use your terminology) the nation? Can you give me three good reasons why they would do that?

    Value received - something in the way of government services you can never ever identify, measure or quantify by your own admission - is important at the Costco. It has nothing to do with taxation as has been explained to you time and time again in thread after thread.

    here is but one example and it contains your own admission of failure on the taxation as retail shopping model

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/econom...ing-model.html
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Please provide creditable links to back up your claims.
    Would that really convince you? I have seen that after doing the work of sharing the data I have found in the past, that most people shrug off such data and go on believing what they originally believed. That, by definition, is psychosis. You are just upset that I spoke the truth you don't want to hear. Let's just do a little experiment .. shall we?

    We know the bottom 75% of the population owns a ridiculously small amount of income (what is it, like 25%? don't quote me on this) and we know that the top 25% owns a ridiculously large amount of wealth (what is like around 75% ? - don't quote me on this) - you do the math - with that kind of money the wealthy wouldn't feel it

    O.K so you still want a "credible" source? Fine, tell me what you think is a credible source? Because, given the irreverence I have seen to completely sound arguments with extremely credible sources, it's pointless to show you what you already know to be true just so you can make up some cop-out excuse to go on believing immoral claims.

    So please, if you want credible sources, actually mean it instead of using it as a cop out. Describe exactly what you want credible sources for and I shall provide them (if it is possible of course, so many people are so unreasonable these days)

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why would the American people willingly give up their right to vote so you and the wealthy can 'bitch slap' (to use your terminology) the nation? Can you give me three good reasons why they would do that?

    Value received - something in the way of government services you can never ever identify, measure or quantify by your own admission - is important at the Costco. It has nothing to do with taxation as has been explained to you time and time again in thread after thread.
    still spewing the mob rule nonsense. tell us why people who don't have any skin in the game should have the same voting rights as those who pay a lot of taxes. and don't repeat the usual crap that "it is the law". give a reasoned argument why someone who lives off the public dole should have equal say about taxes and laws as someone who pays a million a year in taxes.



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