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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I hope you're not lumping me into your "socialist" categorization .. I have not problem with people amass great wealth

    I do have a problem with a system that does not afford equal opportunity

    I am also opposed to any system that would try to drain tax money out of turnips

    Finally, I am for any programs that allow people live and to make a living wage
    I am for people paying for what they use and if they cannot-not demanding others pay even more

    if you cannot pay for your share of government as it now exists you should not be demanding even more government



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    libs who are envious of the wealthy always resort to that silly argument

    tell me what do I get for paying so much more than you do?

    you seem to think that if someone can afford it, they have a duty to pay and pay and pay
    Last time I checked, liberals and lower-class are not synonymous

    Therefore, how can an upper-class liberal be envious of a greedy wealthy businessman?

    Finally, we have gone over this several times .. we should feel free to live in a country that (while not meeting the grade equal opportunity wise) allows the great wealth accumulation that it does .. stop complaining, there's nothing to complain about

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am for people paying for what they use and if they cannot-not demanding others pay even more

    if you cannot pay for your share of government as it now exists you should not be demanding even more government
    There are many things that people will disagree on as far as spending goes in a democracy, that is one of the prices of democracy-people having to pay for what they do not want, while also paying for what they do want .. it all evens out

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Last time I checked, liberals and lower-class are not synonymous

    Therefore, how can an upper-class liberal be envious of a greedy wealthy businessman?

    Finally, we have gone over this several times .. we should feel free to live in a country that (while not meeting the grade equal opportunity wise) allows the great wealth accumulation that it does .. stop complaining, there's nothing to complain about
    did you tell blacks who lived under Jim Crow to stop complaining because their standard of living is better than those living in African dictatorships? Did you tell gays to stop whining about laws against sodomy and gay marriage because in islamofascist states they are stoned?

    if you aren't paying as much taxes as someone else you have absolutely no credibility or standing to tell them they ought to pay more.



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    There are many things that people will disagree on as far as spending goes in a democracy, that is one of the prices of democracy-people having to pay for what they do not want, while also paying for what they do want .. it all evens out
    too many people have representation without taxation. if voting was tied to taxation, those who support progressive income taxes would soon be voted out of office

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    did you tell blacks who lived under Jim Crow to stop complaining because their standard of living is better than those living in African dictatorships? Did you tell gays to stop whining about laws against sodomy and gay marriage because in islamofascist states they are stoned?
    completely inapplicable analogy - you didn't fool this juror

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if you aren't paying as much taxes as someone else you have absolutely no credibility or standing to tell them they ought to pay more.
    I know that's what you believe, but its not the way it is, its not the way it should be and I hope it never is that way

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    too many people have representation without taxation. if voting was tied to taxation, those who support progressive income taxes would soon be voted out of office

    later
    Fortunately, anyone can vote .. its one of the few things we as citizens have left and pales in comparison to the power of corporations

    Fortunately some very intelligent people realized that everyone should be able to vote regarding certain issues and for certain candidates .. thats the way it is, and I hope thats the way it stays

    later

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its funny that you equate my disagreement with the PIT-which I fully understand (remind me of your legal training and how many tax law courses you took) as not understanding. The PIT allows politicians to buy votes by only imposing high taxes on a small group.

    I think people should own what they can afford

    sorry socialists, I don't have a problem with the way income is distributed in this country. If you want to own more than make yourself more competitive and stop whining for the government to give you someone else's property
    You supported the trickle down economics that have lowered the income of most of the country and then have the gall to complain about the result of your actions, while taking no responsibility yourself. Typical position of a spoiled brat who inherited his money.

    When we upgrade to a trickle up economy, people will once again be able to afford to buy the things they need. Sorry fascists, your wet dreams of a society that is willing to tolerate your greed are coming to an end.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    MusicA wrote "I think the middle class have carried our country on its back for too long, its time for the wealthy to start picking up some slack ."
    This was just one article of many I found. So explain to me how your statement is true?

    The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

    "The top-earning 5 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $159,619), however, still paid far more than the bottom 95 percent. The top 5 percent earned 34.7 percent of the nation's adjusted gross income, but paid approximately 58.7 percent of federal individual income taxes."

    So the top 5% rich people provided almost 60% of the federal income tax collected. That left about 40% for the rest of us., except don't forget almost 47% of people filing paid no federal income tax. While we may complain about high taxes, the numbers don't add up that the majority of "rich" are getting away without paying.

    Go ahead and look at hitting the "rich" more. You should also look at entitlement programs, aid to other countries, and pet projects your local Congress person brings home to the district. Bottom line, want lower taxes, cut spending, reduce our debt.
    Our Federal tax system needs overhauled and made simplier. Loopholes need to be looked at. Deductions need to be looked at.

    We all need to share in funding the govt. We should also expect the govt to use the dollars given to them wisely. I am not sure that has happened in the last 10 years or more.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    MusicA wrote "I think the middle class have carried our country on its back for too long, its time for the wealthy to start picking up some slack ."
    This was just one article of many I found. So explain to me how your statement is true?

    The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

    "The top-earning 5 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $159,619), however, still paid far more than the bottom 95 percent. The top 5 percent earned 34.7 percent of the nation's adjusted gross income, but paid approximately 58.7 percent of federal individual income taxes."

    So the top 5% rich people provided almost 60% of the federal income tax collected. That left about 40% for the rest of us., except don't forget almost 47% of people filing paid no federal income tax. While we may complain about high taxes, the numbers don't add up that the majority of "rich" are getting away without paying.

    Go ahead and look at hitting the "rich" more. You should also look at entitlement programs, aid to other countries, and pet projects your local Congress person brings home to the district. Bottom line, want lower taxes, cut spending, reduce our debt.
    Our Federal tax system needs overhauled and made simplier. Loopholes need to be looked at. Deductions need to be looked at.

    We all need to share in funding the govt. We should also expect the govt to use the dollars given to them wisely. I am not sure that has happened in the last 10 years or more.
    How many times do I need to explain it! Read some previous posts before you jump in .. please!!! Its not about total amount paid ... its about the relative crippling effect it has on those paying it. Its about the ratio of living expenses to taxes paid.

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