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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You premise that high taxes makes a better country is bull****. You just want to steal from those that work, and give to those that don't.
    What premise did I propose that said higher taxes make a better country? I think all I mentioned was that something has to be done regarding the deficit, temporary tax increases or closing of some tax loopholes for the most wealthy may be only part of the solution .. I also support less spending on military, less corporate welfare, less spending on pork-barelled programs and so on. Taxes aren't stealing and the middle class have been paying a tax rate that is more crippling to them, than the rich have for years .. its nothing new .. so its time to take a little load off their (middle class workers) shoulders or at least avoid putting anymore on them

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    What premise did I propose that said higher taxes make a better country? I think all I mentioned was that something has to be done regarding the deficit, temporary tax increases or closing of some tax loopholes for the most wealthy may be only part of the solution .. I also support less spending on military, less corporate welfare, less spending on pork-barelled programs and so on. Taxes aren't stealing and the middle class have been paying a tax rate that is more crippling to them, than the rich have for years .. its nothing new .. so its time to take a little load off their (middle class workers) shoulders or at least avoid putting anymore on them
    many in the middle class pay no income tax so how are they being crippled by it?

    and who do you think is responsible for our massive government

    the middle class or the top 1-4%



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those who want others to pay more taxes so that they, themselves, can pay less or get more government goodies always try to cloak their greed in high minded nonsense about the "greater good" and fairness
    If only you knew .. lol .. how many times do I have to spell it out for you .. sure the poor aren't happy with things and that's understandable ... sure the middle class aren't happy with things and that's understandable .. but I have no empathy for the wealthy that complain over chump change and paying their fair share .. that my friend is the true definition of greed .. fortunately there are a few wealthy who see things differently than you do

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    many in the middle class pay no income tax so how are they being crippled by it?
    Last time I checked, households that make between $25,000 and $250,000 per year (depending on the family size) pay taxes and a very healthy portion. And that includes part of the lower class!

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and who do you think is responsible for our massive government

    the middle class or the top 1-4%
    Corporations are likely more to blame than anyone else, they're the one's padding our politicians pockets. Those politicians are great at adding extras onto every bill that is passed, making sure to take care of their "special interest groups" .. that's how government got so big. Take away some of the corporation's power and amend our founding documents and you should see our government become more efficient. Continue to cater to the corporations and we all loose.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    If only you knew .. lol .. how many times do I have to spell it out for you .. sure the poor aren't happy with things and that's understandable ... sure the middle class aren't happy with things and that's understandable .. but I have no empathy for the wealthy that complain over chump change and paying their fair share .. that my friend is the true definition of greed .. fortunately there are a few wealthy who see things differently than you do
    chump change

    what idiocy. most of us in the top one percent (ie those of us not making over 5 million a year) are paying an effective federal tax rate that is the highest of any group-24%. add on state income taxes, and the death tax (which you dems want back at 55 cents on every dollar over a million) and its hardly chump change

    you are the greedy one-claiming others should pay more taxes when you are not willing to pay the same rates you want to impose on others

    its also dishonest to claim people like me don't pay my fair share

    what do I get that you don't get for me paying 300-400K of taxes



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your silly claim has no basis in fact. It would have some merit if each group was paying the same amount of per capita tax. The richest 1% pay 40 times more taxes than a group that actually pays its per capita fair share. Most groups pay far less than their fair share
    You don't have a clue about how our progressive tax system is supposed to work. The more you make, the more you are required to pay.

    How do you tax the classes more that only own 15% of the country's wealth? The top 20% owns 85% of the country's wealth, how much do you think they should own, and why?
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You don't have a clue about how our progressive tax system is supposed to work. The more you make, the more you are required to pay.

    How do you tax the classes more that only own 15% of the country's wealth? The top 20% owns 85% of the country's wealth, how much do you think they should own, and why?
    its funny that you equate my disagreement with the PIT-which I fully understand (remind me of your legal training and how many tax law courses you took) as not understanding. The PIT allows politicians to buy votes by only imposing high taxes on a small group.

    I think people should own what they can afford

    sorry socialists, I don't have a problem with the way income is distributed in this country. If you want to own more than make yourself more competitive and stop whining for the government to give you someone else's property



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    chump change

    what idiocy. most of us in the top one percent (ie those of us not making over 5 million a year) are paying an effective federal tax rate that is the highest of any group-24%. add on state income taxes, and the death tax (which you dems want back at 55 cents on every dollar over a million) and its hardly chump change
    *sobs* I just made 4,000,000 and will make it again next year .. my life if ruined and so stressfull because I'll only be able to play with $3,040,000 .. its a tragedy I tell you, a tragedy

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are the greedy one-claiming others should pay more taxes when you are not willing to pay the same rates you want to impose on others

    its also dishonest to claim people like me don't pay my fair share

    what do I get that you don't get for me paying 300-400K of taxes
    Whoa .. you are making some very personal assumptions my friend ... not all progressives are poor

    Oh and I am sorry I didn't realize .. the above sob story was inaccurate it should go something like this:

    *sobs* I just made 1,500,000 and will make it again next year .. my life if ruined and so stressfull because I'll only be able to play with $1,140,000 .. its a tragedy I tell you, a tragedy

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sorry socialists, I don't have a problem with the way income is distributed in this country. If you want to own more than make yourself more competitive and stop whining for the government to give you someone else's property
    I hope you're not lumping me into your "socialist" categorization .. I have not problem with people amass great wealth

    I do have a problem with a system that does not afford equal opportunity

    I am also opposed to any system that would try to drain tax money out of turnips

    Finally, I am for any programs that allow people live and to make a living wage

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    *sobs* I just made 4,000,000 and will make it again next year .. my life if ruined and so stressfull because I'll only be able to play with $3,040,000 .. its a tragedy I tell you, a tragedy



    Whoa .. you are making some very personal assumptions my friend ... not all progressives are poor

    Oh and I am sorry I didn't realize .. the above sob story was inaccurate it should go something like this:

    *sobs* I just made 1,500,000 and will make it again next year .. my life if ruined and so stressfull because I'll only be able to play with $1,140,000 .. its a tragedy I tell you, a tragedy
    libs who are envious of the wealthy always resort to that silly argument

    tell me what do I get for paying so much more than you do?

    you seem to think that if someone can afford it, they have a duty to pay and pay and pay



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