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  • Allowing many people to have a shot at being uber-wealthy is dangerous

    1 1.19%
  • Making the uber-wealthy share the load would be bad for the economy

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  • The middle class do not have as much of an influence on politics as the wealthy do

    30 35.71%
  • The idea that the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax is a myth

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  • A few wealthy, a few more middle class and many lower class citizens is best

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if you believe in income redistribution of a moderate to large scale you are a welfare socialist
    I don't subscribe to the fascist's theory that eliminating temporary tax breaks for the richest is socialism.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't subscribe to the fascist's theory that eliminating temporary tax breaks for the richest is socialism.
    who cares. the income tax itself was supposed to be temporary



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    who cares. the income tax itself was supposed to be temporary
    Are you familiar with the rule of law in this country? What you wish to be true and what is true are two different things.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh I thought you had like a single page with the talking points presenting in like a bullet-point format or something.
    Uhhh sorry that i dont carry around one of those...

    Yeah I don't listen to Beck or any of the Pauls, and I don't plan on starting. Strange that you frequent all those sites, though. Oh well, thanks for giving their websites your traffic, I guess. If you come across a bullet-point page of the talking points please let me know. I would live to keep up on it.
    Well those are talkingpoints are they not.. You asked this: "If you could link to where you're reading them, to then compare my statements to them and conclude I'm speaking talking points, I would sincerely appreciate it." I provided it....


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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    who cares. the income tax itself was supposed to be temporary
    Uhhhhh no its not.... No where does it say that income tax was supposed to be temporary... It was on the table to be temporary but in the end it was decided not be temporary.

    Turtle this is how i view your tax ideas:
    "My taxes are to high, everyone else is a freeloader." We say: "Turtle you do realize that taxes are at a historic low." You say: "Everyone that wants to raise taxes, is igniting class warfare, and a bunch of welfare socialists, and no they are not remember in the 1700's when it was 0%!" We say: "Turtle is a proven fact that are at historic lows, sense taxes were higher around the 1940's to the 1990's were the rich oppressed and was class warfare going on then?" Turtle says: "FREE LOADER! SOCIALIST! 51% of people didn't even pay taxes!" Then we all go
    Oh and then we have a good laugh


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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhh sorry that i dont carry around one of those...


    Well those are talkingpoints are they not.. You asked this: "If you could link to where you're reading them, to then compare my statements to them and conclude I'm speaking talking points, I would sincerely appreciate it." I provided it....
    Well yeah you sourced some people saying things, but I was looking for an actual talking-points format, like you see real talking points actually presented for like a comity meeting or similar.

    I was hopping to subscribe to it and use it as source material to troll in the future, citing it like an actual objective source and watch people like you go bananas. So much fun

    I used to troll the left here with NARTH, but it's lost it's edge.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you familiar with the rule of law in this country? What you wish to be true and what is true are two different things.
    have forgotten more law than you will ever know but claiming because something is law that precludes all argument on the merits is statist and mindless.



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhhhh no its not.... No where does it say that income tax was supposed to be temporary... It was on the table to be temporary but in the end it was decided not be temporary.

    Turtle this is how i view your tax ideas:
    "My taxes are to high, everyone else is a freeloader." We say: "Turtle you do realize that taxes are at a historic low." You say: "Everyone that wants to raise taxes, is igniting class warfare, and a bunch of welfare socialists, and no they are not remember in the 1700's when it was 0%!" We say: "Turtle is a proven fact that are at historic lows, sense taxes were higher around the 1940's to the 1990's were the rich oppressed and was class warfare going on then?" Turtle says: "FREE LOADER! SOCIALIST! 51% of people didn't even pay taxes!" Then we all go
    Oh and then we have a good laugh
    You really don't have the ability to do that.

    the main argument is that in the long run, a system that allows people to vote up taxes on other people is doomed to fail because the majority becomes addicted to others being forced to pay for stuff the majority wants. The majority becomes lazy and indolent and one day the bill becomes too big. Sort of like what we have now.

    or to paraphrase a well known adage: Democracy fails once the masses learn they can vote themselves the content of the public treasury



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Democracy fails once the masses learn they can vote themselves the content of the public treasury
    Oooo. That's not a bad idea.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Somalia is an inch away from rule under Sharia law. Their neighbor, Ethiopia, is probably closer to true libertarianism - and only because they're borderline anarcho-capitalist, which very few true libertarians want.

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