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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    How do you feel turtle ? like your winning yet Oh just an addition...I wont be responding to any more of you silly trying to bait me posts in this thread...so dont waste your time...instead you should help your groupie bone up on his diction.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    It is fair to say no one has come close to proving that the middle class-no matter how that is defined
    be it the 80% in the middle or the mid three quintiles, are overly burdened with the income tax. BTW that is the group that determines who wins elections



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

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    Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?Stick to the topic and stop making it personal or else.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Not taxing someone is giving them money? Or did the 'cry wolf project' cheat with context.
    When the rich get their $58,000 tax break on average each year, they have $58,000 more each year than they would have had without the tax break given to them.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I know several gays who only support the dems because of gay marriage. true, by voting for dems they support the racist policies you have detailed. But I have a hard time calling them racists when they also oppose affirmative action, welfare handouts and other racist policies even though being single issue voters they often end up voting for supporters of racist policies
    That they support Dems makes them racist, even if they're just selling out for their single issue, because they are still supporting racist policies regardless of their motivation.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually those who work the most for racist institutions are often the most vehement in denouncing racism and labeling their opponents "racists"
    Yes Turtle & Jerry, we know what both of you BELIEVE. We know what you want to BELEIVE. You both have made that very very clear in thread after thread and in thousands of posts where you give us your BELIEFS . Stating ones BELIEFS is a great first step in this process.

    It would be great if you now advanced those statements of BELIEF to the level of the main purpose of this website - DEBATE.

    Now all you have to do is

    1 - Show us with evidence just who "racist institutions" are.
    2- Show us with evidence just what they are doing that make them "racist".
    3- Show us with evidence how denouncing racism makes one a "racist".
    4 - Show us how labeling others as "racist" is somehow prima facie evidence of "racism".

    I am sure all of us look forward to seeing you develop all of these components necessary to elevate your allegations to actual DEBATE.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    When the rich get their $58,000 tax break on average each year, they have $58,000 more each year than they would have had without the tax break given to them.
    Uh and in your mind that means the government "Gave" the rich money?

    The rich still pay far more than their share of the income. No other group once you are below the top few percent PAY MORE OF THE INCOME tax burden than THEIR SHARE OF THE INCOME.



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes Turtle & Jerry, we know what both of you BELIEVE. We know what you want to BELEIVE. You both have made that very very clear in thread after thread and in thousands of posts where you give us your BELIEFS . Stating ones BELIEFS is a great first step in this process.

    It would be great if you now advanced those statements of BELIEF to the level of the main purpose of this website - DEBATE.

    Now all you have to do is

    1 - Show us with evidence just who "racist institutions" are.
    2- Show us with evidence just what they are doing that make them "racist".
    3- Show us with evidence how denouncing racism makes one a "racist".
    4 - Show us how labeling others as "racist" is somehow prima facie evidence of "racism".

    I am sure all of us look forward to seeing you develop all of these components necessary to elevate your allegations to actual DEBATE.
    affirmative action is racist and there is no doubt about that. People are rewarded or punished based on race and race alone



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba
    When the rich get their $58,000 tax break on average each year, they have $58,000 more each year than they would have had without the tax break given to them.
    At least they paid it to begin with. Half of the people you see walking down the street don't need a 58K tax break because they don't owe a cent of it. Taking something from someone just because they have it is theft. Doing it under the guise of government does not make it moral.

    You may as well run down Wall Street and hold the suits up at gunpoint. You're just using a bigger weapon than a gun when you stand behind Washington.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    affirmative action is racist and there is no doubt about that. People are rewarded or punished based on race and race alone
    So it is your contention that Affirmative action is a program designed to make African Americans and others superior to Whites and to empower institutions to protect and further that sense of superiority?

    We get that you are against affirmative actions programs. Understood. But how does that make the programs racist and their advocates racists?

    Are you labeling both President Richard Nixon and President Ronald Reagan as "racists" because they issued orders advancing affirmative action?

    http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/aahist.html
    Last edited by haymarket; 08-31-11 at 11:05 AM.
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