Allowing many people to have a shot at being uber-wealthy is dangerous
Making the uber-wealthy share the load would be bad for the economy
The middle class do not have as much of an influence on politics as the wealthy do
The idea that the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax is a myth
A few wealthy, a few more middle class and many lower class citizens is best
If it weren't for the parasitic working poor and seniors, why the rich might own 90 or 95% of the country's wealth, which is only fair according to those who value money more than peoples lives, or the nation's economy.
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What claims about your position are dishonest? Lay it out for us Turtle. I suspect you throw that out as some sort of attempt to save face after many posts in the last week have exposed your position on taxes to be nothing more than a desire for you to get a tax cut. People are taking notice
and so this is your reply.Hay if you read turtledudes posts consistently he is all over the place...one day hes for this one days hes for that....the only thing he is for is that he should pay less taxs than anyone else...umm just because he is him....FAIL...and thank the good lord the middleclass and poor outvote the handful of rich that have it all.
I laid it out quite clearly in a series of long posts in which I used YOUR OWN WORDS to indict you. YOUR OWN WORDS.
Again, first you took the position that taxation must be based on the amount of government services one used. We even had an entire thread for that purpose. Of course, that plan would have given you a tax cut.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/econom...ing-model.html (Taxation as Retail Shopping Model)
Turtle makes it very clear what his ultimate idea of a system of taxation would be:
Does Anyone Actually Think........ Deficit/Debt
18 #175 6/9/11
That is clear and straight forward and unambiguous. The FAIREST tax system he advocates is one in which "you pay for what you use".My definitions of fair-which reject the From each according to their ability
You pay for what you use
just like every other area of human interaction
He makes this clear again in this post using much the same words:
The Truth About Who Can Afford To Pay More Taxes
p. 18 #172 1/21/11
=================================I want people to pay for what they use so when they demand more it costs them more
Again, his idea of taxation if for people to "pay for what they use".
Yet again, in another discussion of taxation he expresses the same idea
Constant References to Billionaires
23 #228 6/23/11
===================================fair would be everyone paying the same tax rate or people paying for what they use
Here he looks back fondly on the ideal he believes once existed in which people paid for what they used in government services
Brief History of the Bush tax Cuts
25 #243 6/2/11
=====================================your obsession is that you like the current system and think that it cannot be changed.
and it once was different. people once paid for what they used
And once more into the breach
Tax Increase On the Table
4 #37 4/14/11
============================================I know how the tax system works and why its ruining this country.
and yes, people should pay for what they use rather than voting themselves the wealth of others
Here he says that the "standard" used in taxation should be the "value recieved" which is another way of saying what government services you consume
GENERAL POLITICAL DISCUSSION
7 #66 7/4/11
Given I reject the From each according to their ability argument and note that value received should be the standard, and a flat tax prevents the many from jacking my taxes up what other argument do you have other than you want to keep more of your next dollar than I get to keep
Then, you abandoned not only the plan itself, but you abandoned the principle behind it. Your completely trashed and flushed the idea of connecting taxation to how much consumes in government services in favor of a per capita levy on all persons based on government spending. Your impassioned plea to connect taxation to how much one consumes in government services was trashed and flushed and as gone with the wind. You did a 180 and completely embraced a principle that was opposite of your first. Of course, this new scheme also gave you a personal tax cut.
Then you trashed and flushed the per capita idea in favor of a consumption tax in which the entire idea of how much one consumed or even a per capita levy on it was trashed and flushed altogether in favor of a tax based on consumption.
I guess , to you, the meaning of the word ALWAYS is interchangeable with "of the moment and what I now have retreated to"?I have always said a consumption tax is the most desirable practical tax.
Of course, you would get a tax cut in that scheme also.
Three different ideas, all very different, some 180 degrees opposite the other, all based on very very different principles.
Or are they?
The one "principle" (if one can call selfishness a principle) in all three is that you get a tax cut.
Now that is the most honest presentation of your taxation positions there is and are completely supported by your own words. If you have a problem with that, state it clearly and I will speak to it.
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