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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    I don't think this would work. I don't think anyone would actually go along with a 20% hike (or maybe 13-17% hike if you account for pre-existing sales taxes) on the cost of food. People'd be revolting in the streets.
    another good argument for honest people being able to buy automatic crew served weapons at reasonable prices. if there was no income taxes I suspect that the cost of food would drop enough that the consumption tax would not end up actually increasing costs



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    I don't think this would work. I don't think anyone would actually go along with a 20% sales tax on food. It's too much - people'd be revolting in the streets. You need to treat the essentials and the luxuries differently...
    That 12 gauge shot gun: whether you got it because you enjoy target practice, or people are revolting in the streets: 20%.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That 12 gauge shot gun: whether you got it because you enjoy target practice, or people are revolting in the streets: 20%.
    would you rebate the 11% Robinson-Pittman excise tax on firearms?



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if there was no income taxes I suspect that the cost of food would drop enough that the consumption tax would not end up actually increasing costs
    But what about the people that don't pay income taxes to begin with. That tax on food would kill, quite literally.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    But what about the people that don't pay income taxes to begin with. That tax on food would kill, quite literally.
    those on the dole should not be voting. I believe in exempting necessities from the consumption tax. Jerry and I disagree on that



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    would you rebate the 11% Robinson-Pittman excise tax on firearms?
    Oh you know that tax-stamp is GON. That's just a sin-tax of epic proportions.

    Having said that.....whether you're buying that case of 5.56mm to put in your AR15 to stay sharp on your issued service weapon, or you're buying to put in your new SAW.....20%.

    60 cents pr round adds up real fast.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    But what about the people that don't pay income taxes to begin with. That tax on food would kill, quite literally.
    They already pay taxes...it's figured in the price of the food they're buying.

    Taxing consumption only will necessarily lower product costs.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    pain tends to be the best education for the ignorant.
    Either that makes absolutely no sense and what simply a wiseguy attempt to say something thought to be clever or you have just revealed a strong inclination to fascistic authoritariansim.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those on the dole should not be voting. I believe in exempting necessities from the consumption tax. Jerry and I disagree on that
    Yeah - we get it. Today its those on the dole that should not vote. At other times you said that those who were not your magic "net taxpayers" should not vote. All in a blatant and obvious scheme to disenfranchise tens of millions of voters who tend to vote for the party you hate and loather and blame for many of the nations ills. It is such an obvious power grab that it is beneath contempt given the history and nature of the United States of America.

    The right of an adult citizen to vote is the life blood of a democratic republic such as the USA. It is the lynchpin that holds it all together. It is the very center of legitimacy that then empowers the government to act in the name of the people.

    Of course, your partisan desires to deprive scores of millions of people of their Constitutional right to vote are shared and echoed by radical right wingers across the land. ALEC - the American Legislative Exchange Council - in their unholy alliance between corporations and right wing state legislators, has templated legislation that they are pushing which has as its main purpose the goal of getting as many people off the voter rolls as possible in time for the 2012 election.

    Radical right wingers apparently know that the majority of the American people will not vote for the fascistic type of people they want in office so they have found a way to get around them by depriving scores of millions of likely Democratic voters of their Constitutional right to vote. And you join them in that unholy effort.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Either that makes absolutely no sense and what simply a wiseguy attempt to say something thought to be clever or you have just revealed a strong inclination to fascistic authoritariansim.

    Which is it Turtle?

    Hilarious! His statement is somehow authoritarian to you?

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