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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    The programs aren't perfect, I agree, and need to be heavily reformed, but you need to realize that Liberals (at least the ones I know) generally have good intentions when they want to help those less fortunate. And by less fortunate this includes people who are disabled, who have mental issues, who grew up with no education, ect.

    Why don't you try to work with them towards a solution instead of attack, where does that get us? Also, with the issue of the CURRENT folks in heavy poverty in our country, would you rather do nothing than do something? And if your answer is what we're doing is not helping, then what would be your solution?
    No that's ok, I'm more then happy to let you use me to springboard yourself into a posture which seems more reasonable. I'll be the fat-friend, no problem, I'm here for you bro.

    Compromising with a liberal is exactly, literally like compromising with a pedophile...oh, excuse me, the new liberal term for pedophile is "Minor-Attracted"...link....(thank you gays, we told you this was the next step but you accused us of a slippery slop..well now haha we told you so, so stfu no SSM)


    Sure, the "minor-attracted" (aka liberal) would like to have ruff anal sex with your 7 year old. I would rather put a gun in his face and escort him to my incinerator downstairs.

    According to you, I should compromise, however.

    So, according to you, a 7 y/o giving said "minor-attracted" a blow job is an acceptable compromise.


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    Last edited by Jerry; 08-26-11 at 03:26 PM.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's what Obama is asking them to do, yes...and by "ask" I mean "force".
    Personally, I would allow all of the Bush tax cuts to expire, leading some members of this group to pay higher income taxes than currently. Obama, however, has called for keeping the cuts for the lower income tiers, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at here.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Personally, I would allow all of the Bush tax cuts to expire, leading some members of this group to pay higher income taxes than currently. Obama, however, has called for keeping the cuts for the lower income tiers, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at here.
    Bush was one of the biggest fiscal liberal around. He started TARP, so using him as an example doesn't do you any favors.

    Eliminate the tax code in toto. 15-20% consumption tax across the board, no exemptions, no write-offs. Never make another tax law for as long as this country lives.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    The richest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per*cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes.
    Those figures seem accurate, but I don't consider that injustice. Nevermind that all taxation combined achieves equilibrium, despite the progressivity of the FIT. If I make $10K this year and $80K next, I'm taxed accordingly. Any American is welcome to take advantage of the tax benefits of relative poverty.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Those figures seem accurate, but I don't consider that injustice. Nevermind that all taxation combined achieves equilibrium, despite the progressivity of the FIT. If I make $10K this year and $80K next, I'm taxed accordingly. Any American is welcome to take advantage of the tax benefits of relative poverty.
    You can't support charging one economic class more than another while pretending to be for equality, and expect anyone to actually believe you have integrity.

    Equality demands that the rich not be taxed a greater % then the poor.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Bush was one of the biggest fiscal liberal around. He started TARP, so using him as an example doesn't do you any favors.

    Eliminate the tax code in toto. 15-20% consumption tax across the board, no exemptions, no write-offs. Never make another tax law for as long as this country lives.

    /problem
    I wonder, does your proposal include stock transactions?

    Regardless, I'm no proponent of a flat tax. You sacrifice the mathematical leverage of progressivity for the perception of "fairness." But in practice, it truly would be crippling to the poor, considering the level of American debt. Unless, of course, you're also proposing a more robust welfare system to offset those extra costs.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You can't support charging one economic class more than another while pretending to be for equality, and expect anyone to actually believe you have integrity.

    Equality demands that the rich not be taxed a greater % then the poor.
    What sort of equality are you after, exactly? Equality under the law exists in the progressive tax code -- people who make x income pay x rate, regardless of what they made in previous years. Equality of outcome is, essentially, the goal of communism. I doubt you're a communist. Equality of opportunity is the American ideal and one of the compelling reasons for a progressive tax code. We need people to be participants in society, so we lower their burden as they approach the fringe and raise it as they gain self-sufficiency.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    What sort of equality are you after, exactly? Equality under the law exists in the progressive tax code -- people who make x income pay x rate, regardless of what they made in previous years. Equality of outcome is, essentially, the goal of communism. I doubt you're a communist. Equality of opportunity is the American ideal and one of the compelling reasons for a progressive tax code. We need people to be participants in society, so we lower their burden as they approach the fringe and raise it as they gain self-sufficiency.
    I agree with you GhostlyJoe. What do you think about this:

    How about 0% tax on everyone's first $20,000 of income, 20% on the next $40,000 (for everyone), and 30% on the next $60,000 (for everyone) and a rate of 35% on anything beyond that?

    Everyone taxed in the same exact way. Total equality.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No that's ok, I'm more then happy to let you use me to springboard yourself into a posture which seems more reasonable. I'll be the fat-friend, no problem, I'm here for you bro.

    Compromising with a liberal is exactly, literally like compromising with a pedophile...oh, excuse me, the new liberal term for pedophile is "Minor-Attracted"...link....(thank you gays, we told you this was the next step but you accused us of a slippery slop..well now haha we told you so, so stfu no SSM)


    Sure, the "minor-attracted" (aka liberal) would like to have ruff anal sex with your 7 year old. I would rather put a gun in his face and escort him to my incinerator downstairs.

    According to you, I should compromise, however.

    So, according to you, a 7 y/o giving said "minor-attracted" a blow job is an acceptable compromise.


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    There will be no compromise with Liberals from me. They are on the level of pedophiles, no exceptions. Liberals are wrong on every issue. Even when they pay lip-service to a policy their back-room deals betray their face. It takes more then mere 'intentions' to do right, so intentions mean dick.


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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I wonder, does your proposal include stock transactions?

    Regardless, I'm no proponent of a flat tax. You sacrifice the mathematical leverage of progressivity for the perception of "fairness." But in practice, it truly would be crippling to the poor, considering the level of American debt. Unless, of course, you're also proposing a more robust welfare system to offset those extra costs.
    Equality demands that we tax the poor as much as the rich, and the rich as little as the poor. Anything else is discrimination, thus unconstitutional.

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