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  • Allowing many people to have a shot at being uber-wealthy is dangerous

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  • Making the uber-wealthy share the load would be bad for the economy

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  • The middle class do not have as much of an influence on politics as the wealthy do

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  • The idea that the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax is a myth

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Thread: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Still nothing to back up your lame ass claim that the rich benefit less from government than the working class eh? What a surprise!
    Turtledude's quote even says it, and his link directs you to the reference, which is referred to several more times throughout the article.

    Edward Blum and Harry Kalven, The Uneasy Case of Progressive Taxation (University of Chicago Press, 1953.

    A quick google search shows these results:Google

    ...so, there's your documentation. You may proceed with the debate at your pleasure.

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    Essentially the argument is like this: If you're rich, you won't need food-stamps; if you're rich, you won't need medicare; if you're rich, you won't need Title19; if you're rich, you won't need job-finding services; etc.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Turtledude's link in post 174, which you quoted in your post 179, so no need to pretend you don't know.
    None of the source references you posted for Turtledude's blog, backs up his claim. That must be why you ignored this part of my post you just responded to:

    "Which of these sources backs up the Turtledude's claim that the rich benefit less from government than the working class? I could find none of them that do."

    Still waiting.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    None of the source references you posted for Turtledude's blog, backs up his claim. That must be why you ignored this part of my post you just responded to:

    "Which of these sources backs up the Turtledude's claim that the rich benefit less from government than the working class? I could find none of them that do."

    Still waiting.
    I don't try to force horses to drink, so you may be waiting for quite a while.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Turtledude's quote even says it, and his link directs you to the reference, which is referred to several more times throughout the article.

    Edward Blum and Harry Kalven, The Uneasy Case of Progressive Taxation (University of Chicago Press, 1953.

    A quick google search shows these results:


    Google

    ...so, there's your documentation. You may proceed with the debate at your pleasure.
    Where in the Google, does it back up Turtledude's claim that the rich benefit less from government than the working class?

    Provide a quote with a link to back it up, if you think it is possible.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't try to force horses to drink, so you may be waiting for quite a while.
    More importantly, you do not provide documentation to back up claims. Its alright, I knew you wouldn't be able to.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Where in the Google, does it back up Turtledude's claim that the rich benefit less from government than the working class?

    Provide a quote with a link to back it up, if you think it is possible.
    Such quotes with links directly to the requested supporting documentation have been provided. We're waiting for you to drink, though not holding our breath

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    More importantly, you do not provide documentation to back up claims. Its alright, I knew you wouldn't be able to.
    I'm sorry you believe that. There may be something wrong with your browser if you are unable to use the several dozen hyperlinks provided. I understand that computer problems are always frustrating, and I hope yours are resolved sooner then later. I recommend Chrome over Firefox and anything over IE. Enjoy your evening.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Such quotes with links directly to the requested supporting documentation have been provided. We're waiting for you to drink, though not holding our breath
    BS, I specifically asked what supporting documentation backed up Turtledude's claim and you have yet to provide it. I'm not doing your work for you. Either you can back up your claim, or you can't. I'm betting you can't and so far you have proven me correct.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm sorry you believe that. There may be something wrong with your browser if you are unable to use the several dozen hyperlinks provided. I understand that computer problems are always frustrating, and I hope yours are resolved sooner then later. I recommend Chrome over Firefox and anything over IE. Enjoy your evening.

    Why go I go searching the internet in an attempt to prove a claim I didn't make?
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    massive lie on your part. I am not imposing costs on other people. I pay more in taxes than I use in government services. Most people do not
    A lie? much less a massive lie? I think I made an assertion; an argument. Given you very strong reaction to this I think I hit a nerve.

    I can only conclude that you really think I am much closer to the truth than you want people to believe. Sorry, but what you pay in taxes is fundamentally protection money to keep your life and lifestyle just as you know it. You should also take comfort in knowing that the taxes you pay for social services are also protection money; you are buying off the poor masses to keep them in line so, in their otherwise desperation, they don't riot in the streets, invade your home or murder you for your wallet.

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