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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Honestly, I have no idea. I don't know why the middle class has to pay between 25-28% while the upper class has to pay 33-35% even if they make 10-20-1000x the amount of the middle class.

    I think you should have to pay something like one-third of the percentile you fall under. So if you are making 3 billion dollars a year and are in the 100th percentile, you should have to pay 1 billion dollars in income taxes (fifteen percent more than currently). If you are making $125,000 a year and are in the 85th percentile, you should pay 28%, or $35,000 in taxes (about equal). If you are making $45,000 a year and are in the 50th percentile, you should pay 15%, or $6,750 in taxes (ten percent less). Etc.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Honestly, I have no idea. I don't know why the middle class has to pay between 25-28% while the upper class has to pay 33-35% even if they make 10-20-1000x the amount of the middle class.

    I think you should have to pay something like one-third of the percentile you fall under. So if you are making 30 billion dollars a year and are in the 100th percentile, you should have to pay 10 billion dollars in income taxes (fifteen percent more than currently). If you are making $125,000 a year and are in the 85th percentile, you should pay 28%, or $35,000 in taxes (about equal). If you are making $45,000 a year and are in the 50th percentile, you should pay 15%, or $6,750 in taxes (ten percent less). Etc.
    do you understand effective tax rates? the middle class pays no where near 25-28%. many in the middle class pay an effective tax rate of ZERO to 5%



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensibility
    My proposal is not fair because it's not "progressive taxation"? I'm sorry, but that is not an argument. Neither is a random quotation. Neither is your supposition that I must look at "tax paid in as it compares to living expenses."

    I asked you why my proposal wasn't fair. You dodged. 20% tax on all income above $20,000. No loopholes, no tax credits, no mortgage interest deduction. What's unfair about that? Except for the very poor, everyone is paying $20 out of every $100 to the federal government.

    Tithing works very well for churches. I don't see why double tithing (20%) wouldn't work for the federal government.
    Everyone who values themselves remotely leftist will argue that flat tax is a massive favor to the rich. I love the concept, but you're preaching to the wrong choir on that one.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you understand effective tax rates? the middle class pays no where near 25-28%. many in the middle class pay an effective tax rate of ZERO to 5%
    I do, and there are lots of loopholes and deductions and other taxes that disproportionately affect the middle class that only further complicate the problem when you take the effective tax rate into consideration.

    Also, I'm not sure where you are getting your data, unless I am reading sources like this and this incorrectly.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    The middle class is being systematically eliminated. This should be clear by now. There are many methods that the ultra rich use to shift wealth upwards.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    massive lie on your part. I am not imposing costs on other people. I pay more in taxes than I use in government services. Most people do not
    That's the same whiney ass BS with which you've been littering the forum for months without anything whatsoever to back up your claim.

    The only thing you have proven is this:

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by retirein10years View Post
    The middle class is being systematically eliminated. This should be clear by now. There are many methods that the ultra rich use to shift wealth upwards.
    It's as Marx predicted: "The lower strata of the middle class — the small tradespeople, shopkeepers, and retired tradesmen generally, the handicraftsmen and peasants — all these sink gradually into the proletariat, partly because their diminutive capital does not suffice for the scale on which Modern Industry is carried on, and is swamped in the competition with the large capitalists, partly because their specialised skill is rendered worthless by new methods of production. Thus the proletariat is recruited from all classes of the population."

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    It's as Marx predicted: "The lower strata of the middle class — the small tradespeople, shopkeepers, and retired tradesmen generally, the handicraftsmen and peasants — all these sink gradually into the proletariat, partly because their diminutive capital does not suffice for the scale on which Modern Industry is carried on, and is swamped in the competition with the large capitalists, partly because their specialised skill is rendered worthless by new methods of production. Thus the proletariat is recruited from all classes of the population."
    I think the only thing that is eventually going to level us out will be labor laws that protect the workers. China is creating unions and labor laws, and now businesses are moving out of China and into other countries. Free trade isn't going to level us all out, as in theory, it free trading and supply side is simply searching for the poorest and most readily exploitable workers.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's the same whiney ass BS with which you've been littering the forum for months without anything whatsoever to back up your claim.

    The only thing you have proven is this:

    cute but incredibly stupid and dishonest. what can you objectively prove I have lied about



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    cute but incredibly stupid and dishonest. what can you objectively prove I have lied about
    The problem is that you cannot objectively prove your claim that the wealthy benefit less from the government than the working class.
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