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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    If we also raised the percentage of taxes people pay in lower brackets, then that would mean rich people would pay more on the money earned in that bracket... again, TurtleDude cries.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    And the standard deduction of course. We could lower the standard deduction to hit lower income earners with a tax, but that means rich people would also owe more... and that would make TurtleDude cry.
    ??? most rich people do not use the standard deduction... moreover, as high income tax payers their itemized deductions reduced. Lowering the itemized deduction would actually please the "head in his shell dude"

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ??? most rich people do not use the standard deduction... moreover, as high income tax payers their itemized deductions reduced. Lowering the itemized deduction would actually please the "head in his shell dude"
    You're correct... but they still have the choice to take it. sometimes it might be more beneficial...

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The middle class is shouldering the largest amount of tax burden?

    Excuse me for a second.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!

    Anyway, back on subject - you're wrong. You're just so entirely, utterly, unequivocally, astronomically wrong. This is a rant-about-the-rich post. Nothing more.
    and your response is what? to see how many adjectives you can fit in one sentence? (which would seem to be four) or maybe its to show how many words you can spell containing five or more letters? which wold be 12 if you count the five you borrowed from the original post or 13 if you consider ahahahahahahahahahaha a word!

    to give a slightly less "third-grader" response it is my opinion that the middle class "need-not/want-not" what does the voted candidate have to offer a job? ooops wait already got one. health care? comes with most decent "middle-class" jobs, how bout welfare? sorry don't meet the criteria....its the job thing again, so there goes the selective-elected that caters to the needs of the people. So the middle class has "enough" but what can he offer the elected officials? is h gonna start new businesses? make huge contributions to campaign funds? They just want to go home, hug their spouse, laugh with their kids and probably watch some rerun of a reality show to make them feel better about their own lives.

    Bottom line is there is no "middle-class" voting majority, no middle class agenda. Without there who is going to be their spokesman, candidate, or representative? Oh their out there, seldom elected, and always overpowered by the masses screaming for the unfortunate lower-class or coddling the all too lucrative upper-class. We can jump on forums whine gripe complain, but more than not we are to busy working to run for any offices, or even vote for that matter. Until we find a way to change that, America will always be carried on the backs of the working class.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reveille View Post
    and your response is what? to see how many adjectives you can fit in one sentence? (which would seem to be four) or maybe its to show how many words you can spell containing five or more letters? which wold be 12 if you count the five you borrowed from the original post or 13 if you consider ahahahahahahahahahaha a word!

    to give a slightly less "third-grader" response it is my opinion that the middle class "need-not/want-not" what does the voted candidate have to offer a job? ooops wait already got one. health care? comes with most decent "middle-class" jobs, how bout welfare? sorry don't meet the criteria....its the job thing again, so there goes the selective-elected that caters to the needs of the people. So the middle class has "enough" but what can he offer the elected officials? is h gonna start new businesses? make huge contributions to campaign funds? They just want to go home, hug their spouse, laugh with their kids and probably watch some rerun of a reality show to make them feel better about their own lives.

    Bottom line is there is no "middle-class" voting majority, no middle class agenda. Without there who is going to be their spokesman, candidate, or representative? Oh their out there, seldom elected, and always overpowered by the masses screaming for the unfortunate lower-class or coddling the all too lucrative upper-class. We can jump on forums whine gripe complain, but more than not we are to busy working to run for any offices, or even vote for that matter. Until we find a way to change that, America will always be carried on the backs of the working class.
    Welcome to debate politics.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that makes no sense-or I should say even less sense.

    I don't want more government. You do. I don't need more government because I am neither dependent nor parasitic.
    ah, but one could argue otherwise, that in fact you are amongst the most dependent and parasitic. I have never heard of a revolution with the rich overturning a government that serves the poor.* The fundamental infrastructure of our government (the police, the military, even the court system) serves to protect property and economic interests.

    * - exception being revolutions that are influenced by outsiders that are protecting outsider interests (see Pinochet and Chile).
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by reveille
    and your response is what? to see how many adjectives you can fit in one sentence? (which would seem to be four) or maybe its to show how many words you can spell containing five or more letters? which wold be 12 if you count the five you borrowed from the original post or 13 if you consider ahahahahahahahahahaha a word!
    Before you pick a Grammar Nazi fight, you might want to learn the purpose of the shift keys on your computer. Sentences begin with capital letters. Also your sentence structure leads me to believe that English was not your first language, or that you skipped large chunks of grade school.

    to give a slightly less "third-grader" response it is my opinion that the middle class "need-not/want-not" what does the voted candidate have to offer a job? ooops wait already got one. health care? comes with most decent "middle-class" jobs, how bout welfare? sorry don't meet the criteria....its the job thing again, so there goes the selective-elected that caters to the needs of the people. So the middle class has "enough" but what can he offer the elected officials? is h gonna start new businesses? make huge contributions to campaign funds? They just want to go home, hug their spouse, laugh with their kids and probably watch some rerun of a reality show to make them feel better about their own lives.
    And your argument is what exactly? That the average middle-class American is politically ignorant and socially unaware? Not sure how this fits into the premise of the thread.

    Bottom line is there is no "middle-class" voting majority, no middle class agenda. Without there who is going to be their spokesman, candidate, or representative? Oh their out there, seldom elected, and always overpowered by the masses screaming for the unfortunate lower-class or coddling the all too lucrative upper-class. We can jump on forums whine gripe complain, but more than not we are to busy working to run for any offices, or even vote for that matter. Until we find a way to change that, America will always be carried on the backs of the working class.
    Typical syndicalism bullcrap. Spare me the "workers of the world" junk about how the unskilled laborer builds anything more than whatever is placed in front of him. When labor becomes more scarce than capital, then you can argue your middle class revolution.

    Oh, and if you're going to stay here, you best bring more to the table than what you have so far. Needless to say, I'm unimpressed.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Its a matter of representation.
    The middle class has neither the time nor the money to buy their congressmen.
    The conservatives are owned by the wealthy; the liberals - the poor and the minorities.
    Guess who is in power ....
    This is my take...not necessarily the truth...

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ah, but one could argue otherwise, that in fact you are amongst the most dependent and parasitic. I have never heard of a revolution with the rich overturning a government that serves the poor.* The fundamental infrastructure of our government (the police, the military, even the court system) serves to protect property and economic interests.

    * - exception being revolutions that are influenced by outsiders that are protecting outsider interests (see Pinochet and Chile).
    massive lie on your part. I am not imposing costs on other people. I pay more in taxes than I use in government services. Most people do not



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Because it is not progressive taxation please read the following which I already posted (and have others)
    My proposal is not fair because it's not "progressive taxation"? I'm sorry, but that is not an argument. Neither is a random quotation. Neither is your supposition that I must look at "tax paid in as it compares to living expenses."

    I asked you why my proposal wasn't fair. You dodged. 20% tax on all income above $20,000. No loopholes, no tax credits, no mortgage interest deduction. What's unfair about that? Except for the very poor, everyone is paying $20 out of every $100 to the federal government.

    Tithing works very well for churches. I don't see why double tithing (20%) wouldn't work for the federal government.
    Be in general virtuous, and you will be happy. -- Benjamin Franklin

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