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  • The middle class do not have as much of an influence on politics as the wealthy do

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    . you have to look at tax paid in as it compares to living expenses
    some poor person pays 0 federal income tax and earns $20,000. living expenses $20,000 and most likely qualifies for some assistance program.

    some rich person pays 25% ($75000) federal income tax and earns $300,000. living expenses $225.000 and qualifies for no assistance program.

    In this fake example one person pays no federal income tax, another payed 25% of what they earn. Both spent all they make. Different lifestyles for sure.
    Here is a clue. Life is not fair. Some people will have more than others, some will have the same and some less.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Does anyone believe that all of the 47% who pay no income tax cannot pay any income tax?
    LOL... according to the tax code they can't, because they have no taxable income. Once they get the same standard deduction that rich people get, they are in the negatives.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensibility View Post
    I'd be fine with a flat tax of 20% on anything over $20,000. There. Everybody's happy.
    Of course not....

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am sitting for the cpa and I have worked in tax. I have seen a lot of middle income taxpayers struggling to pay their IRS debts off. Getting out of IRS debt can be really hard because the interest adds up ****ing fast. It's also not difficult for middle income and lower income taxpayers to get into IRS debt in this economy. Simply cashing out a retirement early because you're unemployed, can end up getting you hit with all kinds of taxes and fines.

    Calling it crippling is hyperbole, but it's also true in some cases...
    ...and I sat for the CPA years ago.... you are wise beyond your years.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...and I sat for the CPA years ago.... you are wise beyond your years.
    Fortunately I have ten fingers so I can count!

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    some poor person pays 0 federal income tax and earns $20,000. living expenses $20,000 and most likely qualifies for some assistance program.

    some rich person pays 25% ($75000) federal income tax and earns $300,000. living expenses $225.000 and qualifies for no assistance program.

    In this fake example one person pays no federal income tax, another payed 25% of what they earn. Both spent all they make. Different lifestyles for sure.
    Here is a clue. Life is not fair. Some people will have more than others, some will have the same and some less.
    Again, people fail to understand that our income tax system is not targeting income, but discretionary income (income after basic necessities). This is why it has exemptions, child credits and standard deductions. The fact of the matter is that most people have no discretionary income, but live hand to mouth. As they have no discretionary income, they pay no income tax.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    some poor person pays 0 federal income tax and earns $20,000. living expenses $20,000 and most likely qualifies for some assistance program.

    some rich person pays 25% ($75000) federal income tax and earns $300,000. living expenses $225.000 and qualifies for no assistance program.

    In this fake example one person pays no federal income tax, another payed 25% of what they earn. Both spent all they make. Different lifestyles for sure.
    Here is a clue. Life is not fair. Some people will have more than others, some will have the same and some less.
    Your not helping your case .. you have ignored all the moral imperatives and economic logic and substituted your own down-home logic

    You aren't impressing anyone by saying "life isn't fair" .. we all know this .. we are just trying to make it so everyone has equal opportunity and so that our government is financially sound, nothing more nothing less - and the arguments and policies we support would do this

    I don't care how you want to spend your money .. but when comparing tax to the lowest average living expenses, we see that progressive taxation is the only solution .. what you do with your money after you pay your taxes is your business .. this way the uber-wealthy stay uber wealthy and can move higher, the wealthy stay wealthy and can move higher, the middle class keep middles class status and can move higher, the poor aren't made poorer and can move higher .. what's wrong with that?

    Sorry if I have no tolerance for those who wish to see a tyranny of the wealthy over the poor

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...and I sat for the CPA years ago.... you are wise beyond your years.
    Oh thanks. I know a lot more about tax than audit...

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Again, people fail to understand that our income tax system is not targeting income, but discretionary income (income after basic necessities). This is why it has exemptions, child credits and standard deductions. The fact of the matter is that most people have no discretionary income, but live hand to mouth. As they have no discretionary income, they pay no income tax.
    You hit the nail on the head! Great post

    Some people just don't seem to understand these facts ... its scary that they are out there spreading their infectious propaganda to the less well intellectually endowed

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Again, people fail to understand that our income tax system is not targeting income, but discretionary income (income after basic necessities). This is why it has exemptions, child credits and standard deductions. The fact of the matter is that most people have no discretionary income, but live hand to mouth. As they have no discretionary income, they pay no income tax.
    And the standard deduction of course. We could lower the standard deduction to hit lower income earners with a tax, but that means rich people would also owe more... and that would make TurtleDude cry.

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