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  • Allowing many people to have a shot at being uber-wealthy is dangerous

    1 1.19%
  • Making the uber-wealthy share the load would be bad for the economy

    0 0%
  • The middle class do not have as much of an influence on politics as the wealthy do

    30 35.71%
  • The idea that the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax is a myth

    54 64.29%
  • A few wealthy, a few more middle class and many lower class citizens is best

    3 3.57%
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Thread: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensibility View Post
    I'd be fine with a flat tax of 20% on anything over $20,000. There. Everybody's happy.
    I should probably ask .. are you proposing cutting out welfare programs as well, or just instituting a flat 20% tax rate?

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    works for me=but that would castrate the ability of many politicians to buy votes by promising one group they can have more and more and only the top bracket will be raised to pay for it.

    it also means that just about everyone would have to pay more taxes when government spends more and that would be deleterious to the election hopes of big spenders
    I would have thought you would have jumped for joy over that proposition .. would you ever be happy?

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    again you cannot make a sound argument for why I should pay more than you.

    I understand why a progressive tax scheme is politically attractive to politicians who deal with the fact that non taxpayers ahve the same votes as us who pay lots of taxes.

    I am asking you why I should pay more for the same benefits. since you support that I want to hear a good argument. iF you were forced to pay for what you use, you would be less likely to demand more government. which of course is the idea. we need to get rid of the demand for more and more and more government

    that demand comes from the fact that those who demand more and more government normally aren't tasked with paying for it
    If you don't get it by now you never will .. again, read some of my other posts including the conversations I have had with you

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's a silly response

    are you saying that no one in that group can afford any income tax?
    This is a silly response (look, I'm special I can say that too )

    Most cannot, living expenses, especially medical ones, are just too expensive .. the uber-wealthy would barely feel a tax increase in comparison

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I would have thought you would have jumped for joy over that proposition .. would you ever be happy?
    you obviously didn't read what I wrote.



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    This is a silly response (look, I'm special I can say that too )

    Most cannot, living expenses, especially medical ones, are just too expensive .. the uber-wealthy would barely feel a tax increase in comparison
    I call BS on that

    your claim that most of those in that 47% cannot afford to pay ANY income tax is a bald faced lie



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Your mom and apple pie faux patriotism gets nauseating after a while.
    It says something about you turtle that you find patriotism nauseating.

    Your entire premise about not having "skin in the game" is of course blatantly false. One would have to look hard and long to find people who vote today who do not pay taxes or contribute to America. So again, your very idea is based on a lie. I suspect this is far more about you stacking the deck in favor of the wealthy and their toadies and sycophants in the Republican party who carry their water willingly than it is about anything else.

    But since the Constitution says otherwise, your dream - most Americans nightmare - is just a far right wing fantasy. God Bless America and the American people.
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    If you don't get it by now you never will .. again, read some of my other posts including the conversations I have had with you
    1) that I can pay more is not a sound argument

    2) that the many want the rich to pay more is not a sound argument

    3) that you refuse to say and tell me to look for all your posts is a cowardly position



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you obviously didn't read what I wrote.
    OK, you're right, I see the sarcasm in that post now

    Doesn't surprise me that you liked that proposal as it is completely unfair

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    OK, you're right, I see the sarcasm in that post now

    Doesn't surprise me that you liked that proposal as it is completely unfair
    yeah treating everyone the same is unfair even if it means the rich still pay far more for the same government services?



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