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  • Allowing many people to have a shot at being uber-wealthy is dangerous

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  • The middle class do not have as much of an influence on politics as the wealthy do

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  • The idea that the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax is a myth

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I voted, the middle class do not have as much of an influence on politics as the wealthy.
    so you buy into the bs that the MC pays "crippling income tax levels"



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we get the fact that you think saying the rich won't be hurt by more taxes (when does that line of crap end-90%?) is a convincing argument.
    When does do the taxes end? When increasing them isn't needed anymore and when the taxes would be too large for companies to want to do business here. When do you think they should stop? Oh yea .. you want to tax the poor .. that sounds like a great strategy

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    we get the fact you resent having a boss that fired you and you project your hatred onto every wealthy CEO.
    What are you talking about TurtleDude? Stop fantasizing

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    The problem is way too many people don't pay taxes and yet they whine that others should pay even more
    If you are proposing that those that don't pay taxes should, you are insane. You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. You should stop whining that you only get around $1,110,000 per year to play with instead of $1,500,000 .. cry me a river. If you don't like the way tax brackets are set up, you should argue against them. I am all for getting rid of tax brackets and instituting a continuous incline type progressive tax system.

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    When does do the taxes end? When increasing them isn't needed anymore and when the taxes would be too large for companies to want to do business here. When do you think they should stop? Oh yea .. you want to tax the poor .. that sounds like a great strategy



    What are you talking about TurtleDude? Stop fantasizing



    If you are proposing that those that don't pay taxes should, you are insane. You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. You should stop whining that you only get around $1,110,000 per year to play with instead of $1,500,000 .. cry me a river. If you don't like the way tax brackets are set up, you should argue against them. I am all for getting rid of tax brackets and instituting a continuous incline type progressive tax system.
    make a sound argument why I should pay more taxes than you do

    and tell me what extra I get for it



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Does anyone believe that all of the 47% who pay no income tax cannot pay any income tax?



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    make a sound argument why I should pay more taxes than you do
    and tell me what extra I get for it[/QUOTE]

    Unfortunately, while you can fantasize as much as you want, this is not about you and me. This is about the betterment of America .. I'm not going to have a peeing contest with you over who makes more money than the other .. stop trying to caress your ego

    What I will say is that I have made several ethically sound arguments for progressive taxation .. if you havn't been paying attention that's not my problem

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Does anyone believe that all of the 47% who pay no income tax cannot pay any income tax?
    Anyone can cut-off their own hand, but does that mean they should be forced to do so?

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Explain to me how this is not fair again? It never ceases to amaze me when people miss this obvious point. It boggles my mind when people think that a flat tax is somehow fair ... wow .... really? ... wow ...
    I'd be fine with a flat tax of 20% on anything over $20,000. There. Everybody's happy.
    Be in general virtuous, and you will be happy. -- Benjamin Franklin

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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Unfortunately, while you can fantasize as much as you want, this is not about you and me. This is about the betterment of America .. I'm not going to have a peeing contest with you over who makes more money than the other .. stop trying to caress your ego

    What I will say is that I have made several ethically sound arguments for progressive taxation .. if you havn't been paying attention that's not my problem
    again you cannot make a sound argument for why I should pay more than you.

    I understand why a progressive tax scheme is politically attractive to politicians who deal with the fact that non taxpayers ahve the same votes as us who pay lots of taxes.

    I am asking you why I should pay more for the same benefits. since you support that I want to hear a good argument. iF you were forced to pay for what you use, you would be less likely to demand more government. which of course is the idea. we need to get rid of the demand for more and more and more government

    that demand comes from the fact that those who demand more and more government normally aren't tasked with paying for it
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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Anyone can cut-off their own hand, but does that mean they should be forced to do so?
    that's a silly response

    are you saying that no one in that group can afford any income tax?



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    Re: Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensibility View Post
    I'd be fine with a flat tax of 20% on anything over $20,000. There. Everybody's happy.
    works for me=but that would castrate the ability of many politicians to buy votes by promising one group they can have more and more and only the top bracket will be raised to pay for it.

    it also means that just about everyone would have to pay more taxes when government spends more and that would be deleterious to the election hopes of big spenders



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