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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Self deportations is quite practical:
    The new immigration law is regarded as the toughest in the nation, and it has stirred protests and lawsuits from the Obama administration, civil rights groups, and churches. The law will go into effect on September 1, unless blocked or modified by federal judge Sharon Lovelace Blackburn, who heard arguments in the case on Wednesday.

    Business groups are also unhappy with the law because, as the Wall Street Journal wrote, it is “undermining Alabama’s economy.” Construction and agricultural interests are facing worker shortages as immigrants are leaving the state in droves. This shouldn’t be a surprise. The law was intended to drive illegal workers out of the state and open up jobs for unemployed Alabamians. We “cannot allow Alabama to become a sanctuary state,” Republican state representative Micky Hammon, a co-sponsor of the legislation, told me.

    The law, modeled after the Arizona illegal immigration bill enacted in 2010, sets stringent restrictions. It requires schools and employers to verify an immigrant’s status in the United States, criminalizes the use of a fake ID, allows law enforcement to question suspected illegal aliens, and bars citizens from aiding unlawful immigrants in such ways as renting housing to them.
    Easy peasy.
    Meanwhile you ignore the part that says how it is hurting Alabamas economy. The people of Alabama can't afford to work for the same wages as those immigrants. Lets see how this works out in a year from now, maybe less. Also I said I think schools should verify citizenship.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Post all the crap you want Pete... It still doesn't change this:

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The policy says process the most violent cases first, please explain how that lets anyone go. Why would you be against deporting the most violent cases first and working down????
    Or the fact I showed you where it said that, in the letter from the administration:

    ICE, however, has limited resources to remove those illegally in the United States. ICE must prioritize the use of its enforcement personnel, detention space, and removal assets to ensure that the aliens it removes represent, as much as reasonably possible, the agency's enforcement priorities, namely the promotion ofnational security, border security, public safety, and the integrity ofthe immigration system. These priorities are outlined in the ICE Civil Immigration Enforcement Priorities memorandum of March 2,2011, which this memonmdum is intended to support.

    Because the agency is confronted with more administrative violations than its resources can address, the agency must regularly exercise "prosecutorial discretion" ifit is to prioritize its efforts. In basic terms, prosecutorial discretion is the authority of an agency charged with enforcing a law to decide to what degree to enforce the law against a particular individual. ICE, like anyother law enforcement agency, has prosecutorial discretion and may exercise"it in the ordinary course of enforcement1.When ICE favorably exercises prosecutorial discretion, it essentially decides not to assert the full scope ofthe enforcement authority available to the agency in a given case.

    In the civil immigration enforcement context, the term "prosecutorial discretion" applies to a
    broad range ofdiscretionary enforcement decisions, including but not limited to the
    following:

    • deciding to issue or cancel a notice ofdetainer;
    • deciding to issue, reissue, serve, file, or cancel a Notice to Appear (NTA);
    • focusing enforcement resources on particular administrative violations or conduct;
    • deciding whom to stop, question, or arrest for an administrative violation;
    • deciding whom to detain or to release on bond, supervision, personal recognizance, or other condition;
    • seeking expedited removal orother forms ofremoval by means other thana formal removal proceeding in immigration court;

    Exercising Prosecutorial Discretion Consistent with the Priorities ofthe Agency for the
    Apprehension, Detention, and Removal of Aliens

    • settling or dismissing a proceeding;
    • granting deferred action, granting parole, or staying a final order ofremoval;
    • agreeing to voluntary departure, the withdrawal of an application for admission, or other action in lieu of obtaining a formal order ofremoval;
    • pursuing an appeal;
    • executing a removal order; and
    • responding to or joining in a motion to reopen removal proceedings and to consider joining in a motion to grant relief or a benefit.

    And you still don't have the integrity to admit what it says, or admit you were wrong... Instead you attack me and pretend the facts don't really exist.

    Good job!

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyersfan314 View Post
    Meanwhile you ignore the part that says how it is hurting Alabamas economy. The people of Alabama can't afford to work for the same wages as those immigrants. Lets see how this works out in a year from now, maybe less. Also I said I think schools should verify citizenship.
    LOL. I did not ignore it. Getting rid of a huge problem, illegal aliens, will result in some inconveniences. Big deal. Americans will get the jobs that the Mexican slave labor is doing today.

    Deporting 20 million illegals may be too hard. Having them self deport is easy. The part I like best is that eventually they will all end up in New York, Illinois and California.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The old approaches seem to be ineffective.
    Interesting to note the conservative(old and tired) reactions, which are predictable.
    Eventually, our people will wake up and modernize our immigration laws.
    What would you like to see done?
    I prefer that only people with needed skills or those who marry Americans and who can prove they will be taken care of by someone other than the taxpayer get in.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Is that a "Yes" or "NO" Pete?
    Uh, he said it was back door amnesty. The one term Marxist president Obama needs the votes. Although Democrats get nearly all of the felons, the dead, the moochers, the lazy, the repeat voters, he believe the illegal alien vote will get him across the finish line.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is Obama showing that he thinks he can circumvent the law and the Constitution and dictate what he wants.
    The constitution does not explicitly grant the federal government authority over immigration laws, so how on Earth can he be circumventing the constitution?

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Not only no but HELL NO! this is the white house bypassing congress to enact amnesty. He should be thrown out of office for it. The one thing a president should never do is basically encourage a unarmed invasion of the country he is running.
    I lived in Arizona for over 50 years. What we have right now is working. Our law enforcement gets to brag about what it’s doing but effectively gets nothing effective done. The Republicans get to have illegals as in issue. And the businesses get to have all the low paid illegal workers they want. Ineffective laws are proposed and sometimes passed to good political effect but without screwing anything up for businesses. What the heck is the problem with this? It’s not going to change with businesses running things in Joe Arpaio’s town and Janice K. Brewer's state. Got it?
    Now you are saying that Obama is supporting the Republicans in Arizona? Please explain.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    LOL. I did not ignore it. Getting rid of a huge problem, illegal aliens, will result in some inconveniences. Big deal. Americans will get the jobs that the Mexican slave labor is doing today.

    Deporting 20 million illegals may be too hard. Having them self deport is easy. The part I like best is that eventually they will all end up in New York, Illinois and California.
    No you are not getting it. You are deliberately ignoring the facts. We can;t afford to pay Americans what we pay Mexicans. Also knock off the slave crap, slaves weren't paid and were not free to leave. Also this is not going to stop them from working in many industries such as agriculture and construction. They work for cash.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyersfan314 View Post
    No you are not getting it. You are deliberately ignoring the facts. We can;t afford to pay Americans what we pay Mexicans.
    Of course we can. We could afford to pay lots of Americans better than what we pay illegal aliens. We call it welfare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyersfan314 View Post
    Also knock off the slave crap, slaves weren't paid and were not free to leave.
    Is permanent sub-class more to your tender liking?
    Quote Originally Posted by Flyersfan314 View Post
    Also this is not going to stop them from working in many industries such as agriculture and construction. They work for cash.
    Actually, it is working just fine. When the employer is caught they lose their business license. It only takes one. And it is already working here in Alabama. The illegals are moving to Tennessee.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Post all the crap you want Pete... It still doesn't change this:



    Or the fact I showed you where it said that, in the letter from the administration:




    And you still don't have the integrity to admit what it says, or admit you were wrong... Instead you attack me and pretend the facts don't really exist.

    Good job!
    Lets reexamine post #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Grim posted text without link to the source
    ICE, however, has limited resources to remove those illegally in the United States. ICE must prioritize the use of its enforcement personnel, detention space, and removal assets to ensure that the aliens it removes represent, as much as reasonably possible, the agency's enforcement priorities, namely the promotion ofnational security, border security, public safety, and the integrity ofthe immigration system.
    Grim's conclusion based upon text:

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Translated Pete, that means that if the illegals who have been questioned, detained or being processed for deportation don't meet the priorities for deportation outlined in the new policy, and/or fall under the categories they consider not to be a public safety or national security danger, they are encouraged not to eddetain them or process them for deportation... In other words, just let them go.
    The funny thing about your conclusion is that since ICE doesn't have the required resources to process all of the cases at present, your conclusion is true whether "prosecutorial discretion" is used or not. (You might look up that word "discretion.") So, without the policy it would seem some dangerous cases would not be processed.

    And since there is nothing in this policy that could be honestly construed as amnesty or a "mirror" of the Dream Act is quite simply ridiculous.

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