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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Who here expects that we actually will deport all of them?

    If we're not going to deport all 12mil of them, then we should prioritize.

    If we are going to deport all of them, then there's no need to prioritize.


    Who here expects that we actually will deport all of them?
    Perhaps there is a better question to ask. How can we influence illegal aliens to self deport?

    Why are they here? Opportunity. What happens when their opportunity fades away? They go to where there is more opportunity.

    Why do we allow anchor babies? What happens if we don't allow anchor babies?
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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Stay focused, this is about deportation policy.
    Self deportation. Perhaps it is you who has lost focus.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?
    • Yes, focus on deporting dangerous criminals first.
    • No, this is the WH bypassing Congress to implement 'backdoor amnesty.'
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    Here is a link to Fox News report on the change in policy.


    "Special Report" On Backdoor Amnesty For Illegal Immigration? | RealClearPolitics
    I think it's a good move. Nobody wants criminals in the United States - that's something most people can agree on. It's also important to note that this policy is not necessary the end all, be all for illegal immigration policy under Obama so jumping to the conclusion that he won't take any further action is presumptuous at best.

    I put this out there for all the alarmists who think Obama is granting amnesty to any non-criminal who wants to come here:
    Those who see this as amnesty misconstrue the president's immigration record to date. The Obama administration has spent more money and assigned more boots to patrol the border with Mexico than any previous administration. It has deported nearly 1 million people. This is not an administration that is soft on illegal immigration.

    Obama's promising move on immigration - latimes.com

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I never said deport them all...my post is about stopping the flow of illegal immigration
    Well, I'll say it then. All illegal immigrants should be deported. That's far from the solution to the issue, though. It's closer to being a tautology than a solution.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyersfan314 View Post
    They don't get welfare. If they have children here then the children get welfare but it has to be distributed to someone who is legally in the US. This is one of the biggest misunderstanding on the issue of immigration.

    In addition we need illegal labor in this country. We can't afford to pay people a living, not minimum, but a living wage to pick our crops. The law should not be enforced blindly. People are not thinking practical about these things. Even if it was physically possible to deport everyone you would not be able to keep them out. Even if you were able to keep them out the money spent would be greater than their cost. Remember immigrants pay a sales tax and possibly property taxes, that has to be taken into account when discussing how much they cost this country.
    Flyers with all due respect your post is categorically wrong....we dont need ILLEGAL workers, we need Documented Green Card immigrants to work
    Whatever they pay in sales tax is GONE the first time they go to the emergency room and allow us the privledge to pay for their health care. Health Care for illegal immigrants is killing us all by itself...not withstanding all the tremendous other costs illegal immigration puts on the american taxpayer

    This is what infuriates me about the republicans and thier wanting to crucify american workers, no pensions, no health benefits, no social security, no medicare..they tell us public employees are overpaid and they dont do a damn thing about illegal immigration because their rich pigs at the trough want it to keep going on

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    The moment these people enter the country through any means other than legal and proper channels they are CRIMINALS. So saying "the one's who haven't committed criminal acts" is an oxymoron. Their mere presence here in the US consitutes a criminal act. They should all be depoted immediately. No hearings. No exceptions. Boot their asses back where they belong and if they come back again and get caught, then maybe we need to be a little less "polite" in our dealing with them.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyersfan314 View Post
    In addition we need illegal labor in this country. We can't afford to pay people a living, not minimum, but a living wage to pick our crops. The law should not be enforced blindly. People are not thinking practical about these things. Even if it was physically possible to deport everyone you would not be able to keep them out. Even if you were able to keep them out the money spent would be greater than their cost. Remember immigrants pay a sales tax and possibly property taxes, that has to be taken into account when discussing how much they cost this country.
    We have the prison population and those lazy individuals who are already collecting government assistance that can be pressed into service doing the field work that these illegals are doing.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Ah, welfare with a fig leaf. Amnesty with a fig leaf. Vote buying with a fig leaf. What could possibly go wrong? Save the nation.


    We must return to slavery. Is this your position? It is immoral.


    Eventually each state may do what Alabama has done. We focus on the enablers. If you hire or assist an illegal alien you can be fined, and lose your business license. The illegals self deport. They got here at small cost to the nation. They can go back over the fence the same way.
    What are you talking about with this fig leaf crap. Why even bring up slavery here? I think Alabama may regret getting rid of their cheap farm labor. We will see what happens if the law stands and is fully implemented.

    Illegal immigration make up a small number of the uninsured. Many illegals don;t go to the hospital for fear of being deported. Some do but if we were paying workers a lving wag eto work on our farms that may cost more. The price of food would definitely go up.

    "we need Documented Green Card immigrants to work
    I am for a guest worker program.


    Whatever they pay in sales tax is GONE the first time they go to the emergency room and allow us the privledge to pay for their health care."
    That is not true in every case. Many things are minor. If there is a serious problem then yes but overall illegal immigration needs to be consider through (labor savings + sales tax) - (social services)

    I am in an airport right now and I will provide some research later. Unfortunately much of the research is so partisan it does't take into account all the benefits and drawbacks.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    We have the prison population and those lazy individuals who are already collecting government assistance that can be pressed into service doing the field work that these illegals are doing.
    Hell yah I'd put the prison population out there.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The federal bureaucracy (DHS, DOJ, ICE) has nowhere near enough resources to prosecute every ****ing deportation case involving an illegal
    They don't have to prosecute every illegal from Mexico in the first place. There's a provision in the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act called "expedited removal". It allows ICE to basically put illegals on a bus and send them back to Mexico, without them having to appear before an immigration judge. Expedited removal can be applied to aliens who possess no entry documents, documents that are either fraudulently obtained or counterfeit, and aliens who have entered (or attempted to enter) the United States without having first been admitted by an immigration officer at a standard port of entry.

    The condition I highlighted above should be a "no-brainer" for applying the resource friendly expedited removal provision.

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