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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    It takes a lot of resources to identity criminal suspects, then to build cases against them, and then to track them down and arrest them. Criminals inhabit a shadow world that is darker than the world inhabited by illegal aliens. Rooting out these criminals is very resource intensive. Rooting out 1,000 nannies is much, much easier, same with migrant workers.
    I'm not buying that at all. Most the high priority targets are people who are already in our criminal justice system for whatever the crime that made them high priority was. Besides, it is WAAAAY easier to deport a real criminal than to deport a non-criminal. Unless they are an actual citizen, committing a felony is enough to get them deported. 1/2 the possible defenses they could present are off the table as soon as they've committed a felony. Not to mention the sympathy of the judge.

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    If a business is not viable if it must pay legal wages, then society subsidizing the operation of that business is only making society poorer. Stopping the provision of a subsidy makes one wealthier.
    What subsidy are you talking about? Society doesn't subsidize it. People from other countries are willing to work those jobs for wages below minimum wage.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I think the focus is completely off. Don't go after the illegals, but go after the employers who hire them and go after the hand-outs US gives them.

    This will reduce the incentive to stay in the US, and the number of illegals in the US will be reduced.
    Stay focused, this is about deportation policy.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    We currently spend $40 billion/year on immigration enforcement. How much would you like to see it increased to?
    I'd like to see it increased to no more welfare for illegals and the children of illegals.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We give money away to foreign countries, we give money away for stupid grants, we have hundreds of overlapping government agencies and many other stupid unnecessary government programs. We do not have a resource problem or resource constraint.
    We do based on the current budget. The president cannot simply reapportion funds without going through congress.
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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I'd like to see it increased to no more welfare for illegals and the children of illegals.
    They don't get welfare. If they have children here then the children get welfare but it has to be distributed to someone who is legally in the US. This is one of the biggest misunderstanding on the issue of immigration.

    In addition we need illegal labor in this country. We can't afford to pay people a living, not minimum, but a living wage to pick our crops. The law should not be enforced blindly. People are not thinking practical about these things. Even if it was physically possible to deport everyone you would not be able to keep them out. Even if you were able to keep them out the money spent would be greater than their cost. Remember immigrants pay a sales tax and possibly property taxes, that has to be taken into account when discussing how much they cost this country.
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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Who here expects that we actually will deport all of them?

    If we're not going to deport all 12mil of them, then we should prioritize.

    If we are going to deport all of them, then there's no need to prioritize.





    Who here expects that we actually will deport all of them?


    I never said deport them all...my post is about stopping the flow of illegal immigration

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    The old approaches seem to be ineffective.
    Interesting to note the conservative(old and tired) reactions, which are predictable.
    Eventually, our people will wake up and modernize our immigration laws.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyersfan314 View Post
    They don't get welfare. If they have children here then the children get welfare but it has to be distributed to someone who is legally in the US. This is one of the biggest misunderstanding on the issue of immigration.
    Ah, welfare with a fig leaf. Amnesty with a fig leaf. Vote buying with a fig leaf. What could possibly go wrong? Save the nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyersfan314 View Post
    In addition we need illegal labor in this country.
    We must return to slavery. Is this your position? It is immoral.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyersfan314 View Post
    ...People are not thinking practical about these things. Even if it was physically possible to deport everyone you would not be able to keep them out. Even if you were able to keep them out the money spent would be greater than their cost.
    Eventually each state may do what Alabama has done. We focus on the enablers. If you hire or assist an illegal alien you can be fined, and lose your business license. The illegals self deport. They got here at small cost to the nation. They can go back over the fence the same way.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Yeah, so that's $17 billion right there. The Secure Border Initiative is the budget center for creating the fence at about $2 billion.
    USA’s $3.7 billion Secure Border Initiative cancelled NeoConOpticon

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