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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyersfan314 View Post
    No they can't get federal welfare. This is a fact. They can go to schools and get care at hospitals. States should be confirming green card numbers and illegals should not be able to come to public schools here or get licences. Just because I'm not for deportation does not mean I'm for limiting what they can do. Deporting is not practical and would hurt agriculture.
    They get state welfare. This is a fact. The massive influx of illegals have clogged schools, required enormous bi-lingual educational costs. Perhaps you didn't notice when I previously said "In California, welfare agencies, along with hospitals, schools, DMV and law enforcement to name a few, are legally prohibited from even asking the immigration status of applicants. All they have to do is present a social security or green card number (which is not validated), and voila! Taxpayer's money in their pockets. "

    Deporting illegals will not hurt agriculture. In fact, it will help stop the hideous working conditions and exploitation that Ceasar Chevez's Farm Labor Union once stamped out. Chevez dispised illegals, because he knew that they would undercut the workers here legally and damage gains the union had made. That's exactly what is happening.

    The vast majority of illegals, especially in California, where illegals cost the state more than 20 billion dollars annually, do not work in agriculture. They work in restaurants, construction, hotels, landscaping, retail, manufacturing, in just about every conceivable entry-level position in the state... which means that legal residents and citizens no longer have those jobs available to them. California's young people are having more and more difficulty finding entry level jobs, which have been snapped up by illegals... because employers do not bother to check for stolen social security and green card numbers, since there is no significant chance of them ever being caught and fined.

    Seriously, dude, you do not know what you are talking about.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    they get it illegally.......which begs the question: why hasn't california enforced their rules?
    California's political legislature is very far left, and our two largest cities are "sanctuary cities". Dispite the enormous 20 billion illegals cost the state each year, not to mention 60-70 hospitals in the state that have closed because of the huge cost of treating illegals, California has actually made it illegal for schools, welfare agencies, hospitals, DMV, law enforcement, etc., to even ask about legal status, let alone verify the validity of social security/green card numbers. They've effectively thrown open California's border, dumped the state's treasury on the ground, and said, "Help yourselves."

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    They get state welfare. This is a fact. The massive influx of illegals have clogged schools, required enormous bi-lingual educational costs. Perhaps you didn't notice when I previously said "In California, welfare agencies, along with hospitals, schools, DMV and law enforcement to name a few, are legally prohibited from even asking the immigration status of applicants. All they have to do is present a social security or green card number (which is not validated), and voila! Taxpayer's money in their pockets. "

    Deporting illegals will not hurt agriculture. In fact, it will help stop the hideous working conditions and exploitation that Ceasar Chevez's Farm Labor Union once stamped out. Chevez dispised illegals, because he knew that they would undercut the workers here legally and damage gains the union had made. That's exactly what is happening.

    The vast majority of illegals, especially in California, where illegals cost the state more than 20 billion dollars annually, do not work in agriculture. They work in restaurants, construction, hotels, landscaping, retail, manufacturing, in just about every conceivable entry-level position in the state... which means that legal residents and citizens no longer have those jobs available to them. California's young people are having more and more difficulty finding entry level jobs, which have been snapped up by illegals... because employers do not bother to check for stolen social security and green card numbers, since there is no significant chance of them ever being caught and fined.

    Seriously, dude, you do not know what you are talking about.
    There are certain positions, like those in restaurants where we should not have illegal immigrants. I am not defending illigal immigration as a whole. However in agriculture it is necessary . You inored when I said I believe they should check

    "Perhaps you didn't notice when I previously said "In California, welfare agencies, along with hospitals, schools, DMV and law enforcement to name a few, are legally prohibited from even asking the immigration status of applicants. All they have to do is present a social security or green card number (which is not validated), and voila! Taxpayer's money in their pockets. "
    I said I agree this is a problem. Maybe you should read my posts instead of just assuming I am for allowing illegal immigration in every industry. I told you I don't think they should get licenses and welfare agencies in the state should check citizenship status.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Also Illegals don't take up nearly as much medical resources as rumors say;

    Is Lou Dobbs Lying about Hospital Closings? - Page 1 - Arts - Houston - Houston Press
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    It would not be fair to place the blame solely on undocumented immigrants, but certainly, they are a contributing factor." Okie's article also revealed that illegals make up only about 20 percent of the country's residents who lack medical insurance, and about 10 percent of the "uncompensated care in California hospitals" — 10 percent too much, sí, but hardly the invasion the now-dead Cosman and Dobbs want Americans to believe. Strangely, Dobbs has yet to mention Okie's article.

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    Re: Do You Agree With [Obama's] New Approach to Deportations?

    Let me make myself clear on my positions:

    I do not support any kind of social service for illegal immigrants, except for emergency medical care.
    I do not support them working in industries where they take American jobs, such as manufacturing and restaurant.
    As long as we can get Americans to work on farms I don't have a problem with getting illegal labor out of agriculture.
    A country has to have control over its immigration, I just want ti to be done in a way that doesn't hurt industries who have come to rely on it.

    We Need a New Generation of American Farmers - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com

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