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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And to put it colloquially, "evolution is a proven fact"

    and to put it correctly:

    Nothing in the real world has ever been rigorously proved, or ever will be.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and to put it correctly:
    Solipsism strikes again....

    Stephen J. Gould: "A 'fact' means something that is so highly probable that it would be silly not to accept it" as is case of evolution.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Solipsism strikes again....

    Stephen J. Gould: "A 'fact' means something that is so highly probable that it would be silly not to accept it" as is case of evolution.
    who is not accepting evolution?
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and to put it correctly:
    They are both correct

    And if you want to be pedantic about it, creationism isn't superstitious. It is based on reasoning, even if the reasoning is flawed. Religion can be, and often is, superstitious as it doesn't need to be based on reasoning. Some people believe just because.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    They are both correct

    And if you want to be pedantic about it, creationism isn't superstitious. It is based on reasoning, even if the reasoning is flawed. Religion can be, and often is, superstitious as it doesn't need to be based on reasoning. Some people believe just because.
    It's not based on reasoning, it's based on blind faith in a primitive book of superstitious nonsense. You cannot get from point A to point B without that blind faith.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not based on reasoning, it's based on blind faith in a primitive book of superstitious nonsense. You cannot get from point A to point B without that blind faith.
    No it's not. Creationism is supported by reasoning and logic. It's faulty reasoning and logic, but that doesn't make the logic and reason non-existent; just flawed. They get from point A to point B with faulty reasoning and logical fallacies.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No it's not. Creationism is supported by reasoning and logic. It's faulty reasoning and logic, but that doesn't make the logic and reason non-existent; just flawed. They get from point A to point B with faulty reasoning and logical fallacies.
    Entirely false, unless you're going to redefine "reasoning and logic" to mean something it simply doesn't mean. You're good at redefining terms however you want, unfortunately.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Sounded as if you were disputing it's facthood. Apologies if I mistook your response.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Entirely false, unless you're going to redefine "reasoning and logic" to mean something it simply doesn't mean. You're good at redefining terms however you want, unfortunately.
    No, it's the militant atheists who like to redefine words

    Reason | Define Reason at Dictionary.com

    rea·son
       [ree-zuhn] Show IPA

    noun
    1. a basis or cause, as for some belief, action, fact, event, etc.: the reason for declaring war.

    2. a statement presented in justification or explanation of a belief or action.

    3. the mental powers concerned with forming conclusions, judgments, or inferences.

    4. sound judgment; good sense.

    5. normal or sound powers of mind; sanity.
    Definitions 1&2 (and arguably #3) are what creationists use, but not #4 or #5
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Definitions 1&2 (and arguably #3) are what creationists use, but not #4 or #5
    You're using "a reason" instead of "reason". Two entirely different things.
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