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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    In fact, the only one that remotely comes close to your claim is 4, and that form is not used as you used the word.
    four could never work because of the portion that states "to determine quality, amount, acceptability, characteristics, etc". Quality, amount, acceptability, and characteristics are not things that can be determined about evolution.

    Definition 4 is absolutely impossible to use in the context of evolution being proven. The example given, "to prove ore", shows that. "Proving ore" would be trying to determine what kind of ore it is, specifically, as in "The ore was proven and it turns out to be iron." It is a totally different meaning than what was used with regard to evolution.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The difference is that the Piltdown Man idea was tested and found to be false, and the same for spontaneous generation.

    Evolution was tested and found to be solid.
    so far..... which was my point
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    BTW, if you want to be so pedantic, the word evolution refers to the scientific study of the distribution of genes within a population of a species, how that distribution changes over time and how those changes affect the species (and sometimes leads to the development of new species). Since scientists do study this, my statement that evolution is scientifically proven is true in the pedantic sense. Genes are distributed within a population of a species (science has proven this), this distribution does change (science has proven this too) and these changes do affect the species (again, science has proven this)
    Technically, the basic form of evolution is the study of the change of allele frequency over time. Of course, that is not what we are talking about. Within the context of the thread, we are talking the full monte evolution since that is what creationism supposedly offers an alternative to. Context is important.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Technically, the basic form of evolution is the study of the change of allele frequency over time. Of course, that is not what we are talking about. Within the context of the thread, we are talking the full monte evolution since that is what creationism supposedly offers an alternative to. Context is important.
    Suddenly, you're not being so pedantic!! Suddenly, words don't have just one meaning and just as suddenly, context is important!!
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Suddenly, you're not being so pedantic!! Suddenly, words don't have just one meaning and just as suddenly, context is important!!
    and suddenly you still can't admit you were wrong, even though a dozen people have told you so.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and suddenly you still can't admit you were wrong, even though a dozen people have told you so.
    You still havent shown that I'm wrong. Sure, you complained about how I wasn't posting definitions for every phrase that I used, but then when I did post the definitions, you STFU because you couldn't refute what I said.

    I said that "evolution has been scientifically proven" and I posted definitions for "evolution" and "scientifically proven". If you have any argument to make about that, then make the argument. Your "blah, blah, blah" quote was not an argument; it was a surrender
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You still havent shown that I'm wrong. Sure, you complained about how I wasn't posting definitions for every phrase that I used, but then when I did post the definitions, you STFU because you couldn't refute what I said.

    I said that "evolution has been scientifically proven" and I posted definitions for "evolution" and "scientifically proven". If you have any argument to make about that, then make the argument. Your "blah, blah, blah" quote was not an argument; it was a surrender
    and at least a dozen people here have shown you what you are bleating to be "scientifically proven" is actually scientific consensus. not our fault you lack the wit to know the difference.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and at least a dozen people here have shown you what you are bleating to be "scientifically proven" is actually scientific consensus. not our fault you lack the wit to know the difference.
    Umm, I'm the one who said that I was referring to "scientific consensus" which is why you don't have any argument to make. You agree with me, but you're too dishonest to admit it. Instead, you're trying to dishonestly argue that the truth is subject to a majority vote on an internet board, a claim that you know is not true.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You still havent shown that I'm wrong. Sure, you complained about how I wasn't posting definitions for every phrase that I used, but then when I did post the definitions, you STFU because you couldn't refute what I said.

    I said that "evolution has been scientifically proven" and I posted definitions for "evolution" and "scientifically proven". If you have any argument to make about that, then make the argument. Your "blah, blah, blah" quote was not an argument; it was a surrender
    The theory of evolution has survived peer review, replicability and scientific scrutiny.

    Creationism has not, even within linguistic literary circles.

    Therefore Evolution has been proven, and Creationism has not been proven.

    May we please abandon this hijacking and get back to the thread topic now?

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Technically, the basic form of evolution is the study of the change of allele frequency over time. Of course, that is not what we are talking about. Within the context of the thread, we are talking the full monte evolution since that is what creationism supposedly offers an alternative to. Context is important.
    It would be more satisfying if the teacher could specifically address the exact and detailed lineage found in Genesis which Creationism is based on, rather than merely dismiss it as superstitious. In that way the teacher is arrogantly basking in ignorance, and I find that offensive even if legal.

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