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Thread: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I just can't help but wonder what the outcome would've been if the teacher was being sued for making a racist statement, or a derogatory statement against some tenet of the muslim faith or a derogatory remark about homosexuality.
    The school probably would have fired the teacher. Your problem should not be with the courts for refusing to restrict the teacher's freedom of expression, it should be with the school for not firing the teacher when that teacher made such an offensive statement to their students.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
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    Ok, so lets say if a park ranger makes a controversial statement. Should the courts get involved, or should his superiors fire him for it if they see fit to do so? Freedom of speech means you are free to express yourself how you want to (other than something like yelling fire in theater) without fear of reprisal by the government. It does not mean that your employer, public or private, cannot fire you for it.
    Depends on the controversial statement. if the park ranger where to say state that people had to give up the right to free speech to enter the park, a constitutional case could probably be made. Freedom of speech does not mean government employees can take sides on religion.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The school probably would have fired the teacher. Your problem should not be with the courts for refusing to restrict the teacher's freedom of expression, it should be with the school for not firing the teacher when that teacher made such an offensive statement to their students.
    I have no problem with the school or the court. I just wish one of my kids had been in that class. probably would've got sent home for calling the teacher a douchebag
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Some people believe that diversity is good. Should that be taught in school? Oh wait, this myth is being taught in schools. Hmm. Bad example.

    Some people believe that competition between students is a bad thing. Should schools stress cooperative learning? Oh wait, this is what is happening.
    So what you're saying is "If I don't think it's good, then the schools shouldn't teach it." Fair opinion, most of us probably have some variation on the same thing. Including those who don't want Creationism taught in biology class. While there's no need to insult religion, they can't do both. They can't teach Creationism, and not teach it at the same time. They either do or don't.

    Diversity? Living with people different from you is an important skill. In my kids' school, in my workplace, and in my neighborhood, it's necessary.

    Sometimes cooperation is called for, and sometimes competition is called for. I'd agree that the lack of competition has largely gone too far -- sports, for example are meant to be competitive.


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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    WHAT??????? you mean parents should actually spend time with their kids and teach them things? say it isn't so.
    I taught my nephew to call me uncle Pimp-nipples. does that count as teaching him things?

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I taught my nephew to call me uncle Pimp-nipples. does that count as teaching him things?
    oh hell yeah. all my nieces and nephews call me "uncle monkey"
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    Sure it will. In fact it will give you several answers, but it will not provide you with the critical thinking skills to sort through those answers and have a peaceful discussion about them.

    If schools insist on avoiding this topic, I predict that there will be negative consequences. Perhaps not fights, but for instance, let's say a child does their own research and comes to a conclusion that their parents or religious communities disapprove of. Now the child has two choices... stop asking questions, or be ostracized (this one has happened to people I know personally, and has led to a number of kids growing up to hate the their religious communities and become estranged from their families).
    Life is full of being ostracized. They're just teaching them about life.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    You need to read more carefully. You have pushed the parameters of what I said in order to make it appear ridiculous. Is this really the kind of tactic a moderator should be using?
    Really she didn't push the parameters at all and actually I think it is a mods place to call out asinine posts...
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    oh hell yeah. all my nieces and nephews call me "uncle monkey"
    My sister in law's nickname is "christ" because her first name is cristina, so I'm planning on teaching my son to call her "auntie-christ"

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    My sister in law's nickname is "christ" because her first name is cristina, so I'm planning on teaching my son to call her "auntie-christ"

    Ooooops Dude! You may have just earned yourself an infraction for mocking Crisco or the heads of any religious factions in the world. Plus, you are supposed to post this in the religious section,....that is another infraction, and you can be banned from this thread and given a week off to think about how silly the rules are here. LMAO!! You might also have a broken tail light, but I am sure they will let you know.
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