View Poll Results: Should public school teachers be able to call creationism "superstitious nonsense"?

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    the same could've been said about the theory of spontaneous generation a couple hundred years ago.
    Actually no, it could not be said. It had not been rigorously tested.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

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    You need to read more carefully. You have pushed the parameters of what I said in order to make it appear ridiculous. Is this really the kind of tactic a moderator should be using?
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually no, it could not be said. It had not been rigorously tested.
    It had been as rigorously tested as technology and method of the day allowed. hindsight is 20/20. just ask the guys who fell for "piltdown man"
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    I don't see how creationism still passes in ANY school as science. The teacher should be rewarded for actually trying to teach children.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Technically, its not an issue for the government to involve itself in. The teacher has a right to freedom of expression. However, while that right of freedom of expression means that this is not an issue for the courts, that constitutional right does not mean that the school distinct could not fire the teacher because of his or her statements.

    Similarly, if a news anchor makes an overtly racist statement in a broadcast, the courts would have no business getting involved as the news anchor has freedom of expression. However, his or her employer could fire them for making such a statement.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Technically, its not an issue for the government to involve itself in. The teacher has a right to freedom of expression. However, while that right of freedom of expression means that this is not an issue for the courts, that constitutional right does not mean that the school distinct could not fire the teacher because of his or her statements.

    Similarly, if a news anchor makes an overtly racist statement in a broadcast, the courts would have no business getting involved as the news anchor has freedom of expression. However, his or her employer could fire them for making such a statement.
    I just can't help but wonder what the outcome would've been if the teacher was being sued for making a racist statement, or a derogatory statement against some tenet of the muslim faith or a derogatory remark about homosexuality.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    OP reminded me of great DS9 Quote.

    Weyoun: All this talk of god strikes me as nothing more then superstitious nonsense
    Damar: You believe that the founders are gods don't you?
    Weyoun: Thats different
    Damar: In what way?
    Weyoun: The Founders are gods...

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Technically, its not an issue for the government to involve itself in. The teacher has a right to freedom of expression. However, while that right of freedom of expression means that this is not an issue for the courts, that constitutional right does not mean that the school distinct could not fire the teacher because of his or her statements.

    Similarly, if a news anchor makes an overtly racist statement in a broadcast, the courts would have no business getting involved as the news anchor has freedom of expression. However, his or her employer could fire them for making such a statement.
    Slight difference there: the anchor works for a private company. A schoolteacher is a government employee. As a governmental employee, they should not take sides on the issue of religion, while acting in that role.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I just can't help but wonder what the outcome would've been if the teacher was being sued for making a racist statement
    Nothing in the constitution says the government cannot make racist comments to the best of my knowledge, so a lawsuit on the same grounds could not happen.

    or a derogatory statement against some tenet of the muslim faith
    Exact same outcome as this case.

    or a derogatory remark about homosexuality.
    Again, there is no separation of sexuality and state stated or implied in the constitution, so any suit would have to be on different grounds.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Slight difference there: the anchor works for a private company. A schoolteacher is a government employee. As a governmental employee, they should not take sides on the issue of religion, while acting in that role.
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    Ok, so lets say if a park ranger makes a controversial statement. Should the courts get involved, or should his superiors fire him for it if they see fit to do so? Freedom of speech means you are free to express yourself how you want to (other than something like yelling fire in theater) without fear of reprisal by the government. It does not mean that your employer, public or private, cannot fire you for it.
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