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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Every religion has a creation story of some kind. Calling creationism nonsensical does not promote one religion over another or discount an entire religion. One can believe in some aspect of Christianity (or Hinduism, Buddhism, etc) without believing in every aspect of it. That is why there are hundreds of different sects within Christianity.

    If the teacher had said, "Christianity is nonsense" or "The bible is nonsense" then I'd see the argument. As it stands this was just religious folk getting hyper sensitive over a non-issue.
    The idea is that it is not the place of government to support or deny any religion. Not even a little bit. While I think the lawsuit was overkill and falls outside the realm of what I consider "common sense"(like military chaplains and "in god we trust", which I think are technically in the wrong but not worth making a fuss over), technically, on it's merits, it does have a legitimate point.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    If you want to learn about creationism....go to church
    If you want to learn about evolution...go to science class

    sometimes it really is that simple
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    However prayer at a high school event, should go all the way to the supreme court.
    Mcdonalds serves fish sandwiches, therefore, salmon swim upstream to spawn.

    Is there a connection there somewhere?

    Prayer in pubic school is not illegal. Evolution is a proven theory. Evolution does not prove/disprove the power of prayer nor the existence of god. there is no connection.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And let us not forget parents.
    WHAT??????? you mean parents should actually spend time with their kids and teach them things? say it isn't so.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Mcdonalds serves fish sandwiches, therefore, salmon swim upstream to spawn.

    Is there a connection there somewhere?

    Prayer in pubic school is not illegal. Evolution is a proven theory. Evolution does not prove/disprove the power of prayer nor the existence of god. there is no connection.
    evolution is an accepted theory. not proven. there is a difference. let's not go through this again
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    evolution is an accepted theory. not proven. there is a difference. let's not go through this again
    I'm sure it will be brought up every time evolution comes up, in the form of "it's just a theory, after all."
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    evolution is an accepted theory. not proven. there is a difference. let's not go through this again
    While you are technically correct, it is worth noting that the difference is pretty trivial. For all intent, evolution is fact, it just is not provable. The fact that after all the effort put into testing evolution and all the observations made, and not one piece of evidence disproves evolution is pretty conclusive.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wow! So if a teacher does not offer an opinion on creationism, it will lead to violence? Do you have any clue how stupid that claim is?
    You need to read more carefully. You have pushed the parameters of what I said in order to make it appear ridiculous. Is this really the kind of tactic a moderator should be using?

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    While you are technically correct, it is worth noting that the difference is pretty trivial. For all intent, evolution is fact, it just is not provable. The fact that after all the effort put into testing evolution and all the observations made, and not one piece of evidence disproves evolution is pretty conclusive.
    the same could've been said about the theory of spontaneous generation a couple hundred years ago.

    but I agree, evolution is all but a done deal. just saying, you can never really "prove" anything in science. our understanding is always improving as our technology allows us to see deeper, farther and better. the changes to accepted theories may be small and or inconsequential, but they do occur.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    You need to read more carefully. You have pushed the parameters of what I said in order to make it appear ridiculous. Is this really the kind of tactic a moderator should be using?
    You were the one that invoked the scenario of violence erupting as a possible outcome. If you think that she pushed your position to an extreme point then why don't you correct the matter by more fully explaining to us how a student who isn't the beneficiary of a teacher's pronouncement on religious creationism will become mired in schoolyard violence.

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