View Poll Results: Should public school teachers be able to call creationism "superstitious nonsense"?

Voters
58. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes; they have freedom of speech and academic freedom

    33 56.90%
  • No; this amounts to the state picking sides on a religious matter

    14 24.14%
  • Other

    11 18.97%
Page 26 of 42 FirstFirst ... 16242526272836 ... LastLast
Results 251 to 260 of 412

Thread: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

  1. #251
    Matthew 16:3

    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Everywhere and nowhere
    Last Seen
    06-24-17 @ 05:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    45,603

    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    definitely NOT in a science class. anymore that math class is a place to discuss politics.
    Seems like the simplest approach to me. Science topics get discussed in science class, philosophical discussions get discussed in philosophy classes, math gets discussed in math class, etc. etc.

    There will be crossover between some courses (math will be a part of physics, everything gets touched on a bit in history, etc), but that doesn't mean that a debate about the logical validity of a philosophical idea is appropriate in a science class any more than a discussion about what happened to Galileo belongs in a science class. One can teach about the things that Galileo discovered (phases of venus, rates of falling objects) without discussing the catholic church in any way. conversely, one can discuss the trial of Galileo in a history class without having any need to mention the phases of Venus. Granted, one will have to discuss heliocentrism and geocentrism briefly to talk about that trial, but that can be a simple description of the theories.

  2. #252
    Bring us a shrubbery!
    tessaesque's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Plano, Texas
    Last Seen
    11-09-17 @ 06:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    15,910

    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    since nearly every christian religion in america believes in some version of creation, calling it "nonsense" is in effect calling every christian in america nonsensical.
    Every religion has a creation story of some kind. Calling creationism nonsensical does not promote one religion over another or discount an entire religion. One can believe in some aspect of Christianity (or Hinduism, Buddhism, etc) without believing in every aspect of it. That is why there are hundreds of different sects within Christianity.

    If the teacher had said, "Christianity is nonsense" or "The bible is nonsense" then I'd see the argument. As it stands this was just religious folk getting hyper sensitive over a non-issue.
    "Hmmm...Can't decide if I want to watch "Four Houses" or give myself an Icy Hot pee hole enema..." - Blake Shelton


  3. #253
    Advisor Just1Voice's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Last Seen
    07-20-13 @ 12:15 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    389

    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    There is this website called google kids. Ask it a question and it will give you an answer.
    Sure it will. In fact it will give you several answers, but it will not provide you with the critical thinking skills to sort through those answers and have a peaceful discussion about them.

    If schools insist on avoiding this topic, I predict that there will be negative consequences. Perhaps not fights, but for instance, let's say a child does their own research and comes to a conclusion that their parents or religious communities disapprove of. Now the child has two choices... stop asking questions, or be ostracized (this one has happened to people I know personally, and has led to a number of kids growing up to hate the their religious communities and become estranged from their families).
    Last edited by Just1Voice; 08-22-11 at 03:57 PM.

  4. #254
    Advisor Just1Voice's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Last Seen
    07-20-13 @ 12:15 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    389

    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    since nearly every christian religion in america believes in some version of creation, calling it "nonsense" is in effect calling every christian in america nonsensical.
    Only if you insist that people must accept every precept of their religion or else reject it whole-cloth, which in this modern era, would be a very unwise thing for any religious community to do.

  5. #255
    Farts in Elevators
    OscarB63's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    09-06-14 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    26,526

    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    Only if you insist that people must accept every precept of their religion or else reject it whole-cloth, which in this modern era, would be a very unwise thing for any religious community to do.
    splain to me how you can be a christian and not believe the bible then...
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

    An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

  6. #256
    Professor
    NGNM85's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Boston, MA
    Last Seen
    11-10-17 @ 11:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    1,571

    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    since nearly every christian religion in america believes in some version of creation, calling it "nonsense" is in effect calling every christian in america nonsensical.
    Irrational, and that happens to be a strong point.

    I don't see what the controversy is, seeing as the school curriculum probably already includes the big bang, and evolution. (As it should.)
    Economic Left/Right: -7.25, Authoritarian/Libertarian:-7.13
    All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume. -Noam Chomsky

  7. #257
    Sage
    RiverDad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    04-20-14 @ 02:16 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    5,039

    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    If schools insist on avoiding this topic, I predict that there will be negative consequences.
    There'll be no negative consequences at all. Understanding evolution in all its glory only matters to those who use that knowledge. It's not useful knowledge to the public nor to politicians. Amongst the public there are no instances in daily life that I can think of where choices are dependent on a.) one believing in evolution and b.) one understanding evolution in some detail. The same with public policy - no politician is required to understand evolution in order to craft public policy that is useful to the nation.

    When students arrive at university and wish to study biology, then they have a need to understand what's going on. If some student wishes to cling to religious creationism then they're not going to get very far in their biology career because their brains will explode from the cognitive dissonance they must confront.

  8. #258
    Farts in Elevators
    OscarB63's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    09-06-14 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    26,526

    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    If you want to learn about creationism....go to church
    If you want to learn about evolution...go to science class

    sometimes it really is that simple
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

    An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

  9. #259
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:36 AM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,268
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    As a student, even in elementary school, I could easily see that the teachings of creationism are at odds with science. I was not alone, and I think it is likely that there will be kids who are not remotely satisfied with this answer. If no authority figure steps in to lend some guidance, the students are very likely to try to tackle it on their own, which is likely to lead to conflict, and possibly violence.
    Wow! So if a teacher does not offer an opinion on creationism, it will lead to violence? Do you have any clue how stupid that claim is?
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

  10. #260
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:36 AM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,268
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    Methods of research have to be taught. That would require someone to teach them.. If religion remains sacrosanct as a topic of discussion in relationship to science, who will teach them how to approach it? Lacking that knowledge, the discussion will degenerate to shouting and eventually, the possibility of fights.
    Religion and science are two entirely different fields and the approach for each is entirely different, and using the methods of one to look at another is stupid. Religion does not belong in a science class for that reason.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

Page 26 of 42 FirstFirst ... 16242526272836 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •