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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    How do you propose to do that? Kids are going to be curious. They are going to ask questions about it. If you ignore the questions or refer them to their own religious leaders, then you are discouraging your students from asking relevant questions for themselves. That runs counter to a teachers mission as an educator. We should be teaching students to think critically and avoiding this topic will be discouraging in that regard.

    What we need is a way to address this topic without passing judgement on the overall belief system. We can easily show historical instances where parts of the church's worldview has been proven wrong and also instances where scientific theory has had to be modified in response to new data. I would think that an educator would want to engage this discussion and use it as a platform for teaching critical thinking skills.
    When asked, a science teacher should reply with something along the lines of "Creationism is not part of science and as such outside the scope of this class". What a teacher should not do is either endorse or ridicule creationism, since it is a religious belief.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    teaching kids that there is a time and a place for everything is also part of the teacher's mission
    And just what is the "time and place" for this discussion? That will be the next question the students ask. If you expect students to shut off their brains whenever the topic of religion comes up, you will be very disappointed.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    And just what is the "time and place" for this discussion?
    definitely NOT in a science class. anymore that math class is a place to discuss politics.

    That will be the next question the students ask. If you expect students to shut off their brains whenever the topic of religion comes up, you will be very disappointed.
    If you expect most of them to ever shut on their brains, you will be very disappointed.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    When asked, a science teacher should reply with something along the lines of "Creationism is not part of science and as such outside the scope of this class". What a teacher should not do is either endorse or ridicule creationism, since it is a religious belief.
    As a student, even in elementary school, I could easily see that the teachings of creationism are at odds with science. I was not alone, and I think it is likely that there will be kids who are not remotely satisfied with this answer. If no authority figure steps in to lend some guidance, the students are very likely to try to tackle it on their own, which is likely to lead to conflict, and possibly violence.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    As a student, even in elementary school, I could easily see that the teachings of creationism are at odds with science. I was not alone, and I think it is likely that there will be kids who are not remotely satisfied with this answer. If no authority figure steps in to lend some guidance, the students are very likely to try to tackle it on their own, which is likely to lead to conflict, and possibly violence.
    Would love to see how researching something is going to lead to violence.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Would love to see how researching something is going to lead to violence.
    Methods of research have to be taught. That would require someone to teach them.. If religion remains sacrosanct as a topic of discussion in relationship to science, who will teach them how to approach it? Lacking that knowledge, the discussion will degenerate to shouting and eventually, the possibility of fights.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    Methods of research have to be taught. That would require someone to teach them.. If religion remains sacrosanct as a topic of discussion in relationship to science, who will teach them how to approach it? Lacking that knowledge, the discussion will degenerate to shouting and eventually, the possibility of fights.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    I think the suit was poorly phrased if the argument was literally that the state should not establish a religion. Discounting one religious theory does not establish or disregard any religion in it's entirety.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I think the suit was poorly phrased if the argument was literally that the state should not establish a religion. Discounting one religious theory does not establish or disregard any religion in it's entirety.
    since nearly every christian religion in america believes in some version of creation, calling it "nonsense" is in effect calling every christian in america nonsensical.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Very, very few are, among scientists, religiosity is extremely low, but the simple fact is, scientific expertise does not necessarily inoculate you against irrationality.
    It depends on how you define "very, very few."

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