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Thread: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogger807 View Post
    One thing is constant in this thread is the recognition that creationism is religion...not science
    Yup, and religion, like all other ignorance, does not belong in schools.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

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    clearly many people hold strong religious beliefs. And in this country that is particularily true. The question of evolution vs creationism was settled nearly a century ago during scopes. Why is this even an issue today?
    Why is there such hostility towards science?
    We don't indoctrinate religion in the science classroom nor the history classroom. Thus it is perfectly legit for a science/history teach to be calling superstition just that, nonsense.
    Superstition is not scientific, never will be. Attributing the universe's existence to a creator is not a scientific rationale, nor is there any historical proof of such other than within mythical fables and tales.
    Unfortunately and very surprisingly, more than a 3rd of Americans believe that the bible is word for word the literal truth rather than a collection of moral fables.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yup, and religion, like all other ignorance, does not belong in schools.
    Actually, it belongs in history classes and classes about society or religion in general. It doesn't, however, belong in science classes.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    A government funded school has no right to comment on this one way or the other. The teacher should be removed. It's a school, not an indoctrination center.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    A government funded school has no right to comment on this one way or the other. The teacher should be removed. It's a school, not an indoctrination center.
    While teaching science, a teacher has every right to call creationism "superstitious nonsense" because that's what it is.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    A government funded school has no right to comment on this one way or the other. The teacher should be removed. It's a school, not an indoctrination center.
    On what grounds?

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    A government funded school has no right to comment on this one way or the other. The teacher should be removed. It's a school, not an indoctrination center.
    Why do people keep trying to make this claim? You must realize that limiting teachers this way lowers their credibility and it makes them more vulnerable to accusations of teaching propaganda. Teachers should be encouraged to speak truth.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Interesting issue and thread.

    I'm neutral - but it is interesting how much stir comes up over religion . . . arrested for inciting prayer in one state and sued for inciting opposition in another and in my school district the school endorses religion by selling religious items in the bookstores. In there is an actual opinion of the nation and the courts - so much for 'keeping quiet' and 'separation'
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Just1Voice View Post
    Teachers should be encouraged to speak truth.
    "Creationism is superstitious nonsense" is not speaking truth, it's giving one's crass opinion. Saying "creationism is a religious belief unsupported by scientific evidence" is speaking truth.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    "Creationism is superstitious nonsense" is not speaking truth, it's giving one's crass opinion. Saying "creationism is a religious belief unsupported by scientific evidence" is speaking truth.
    Semantics. Two ways of saying the same thing.

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