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Thread: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    We executed that blasphemous Heretic Galileo for conflicting against scripture by claiming that the Sun stood still and that the Earth moved around the Sun.

    Galileo was not executed. He dieds of fever and fever and heart palpitations when he was 77 years old.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Galileo was not executed. He dieds of fever and fever and heart palpitations when he was 77 years old.
    Galileo Galilei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    True. Bruno was executed.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Let's not start that again. What true believer could possibly be so butt-hurt by a teacher saying creationism is nonsense? I know my faith can withstand much more than that. This is a case of religious people looking for a fight. Check history, it's a common trait of the hypocritical christian.
    What true believer could possibly be so butt-hurt by a teacher saying that racial differences in intelligence are pervasive and a normal, and expected, consequence of evolution. . . . .This is a case of liberal people looking for a fight. Check history, it's a common trait of hypocritical liberals.

    You might be on to something.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    What true believer could possibly be so butt-hurt by a teacher saying that racial differences in intelligence are pervasive and a normal, and expected, consequence of evolution. . .
    You'll do anything to crowbar that **** into a discussion won't you? I'd call that one rabidly pursued agenda. What do you seek to gain with this agenda?

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    I voted Other, because I believe that Yes, teachers have a right to express their opinions about religious matters in the classroom... But just because someone has the right to do something does not mean that he should do it.

    Context is everything, and I don't know if he was replying to a student's specific question or just decided to vent in front of the class. If he answered a question truthfully, then okay. I don't believe he should have to lie about his thoughts. However, I wouldn't want to see a precedent where teachers can denigrate religion just because it's allowed. Religious discussions, with rare exceptions, should not take place in the classroom. They should take place in the home and at church. When teachers contradict what they are being taught at home, it's confusing to children and a little frightening. Teachers should be more concerned with the well-being of their students than venting their own religious spleens, imo.

    That said, I have not read the thread itself. Perhaps someone else will offer a view that will change my mind!

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    What true believer could possibly be so butt-hurt by a teacher saying that racial differences in intelligence are pervasive and a normal, and expected, consequence of evolution. . . . .This is a case of liberal people looking for a fight. Check history, it's a common trait of hypocritical liberals.

    You might be on to something.
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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What if a history teacher fired for saying the holocaust did not happen or what if a science was fired for saying evolution is a load of crap would you say that his first amendment rights were violated? I think a lot of people agree with their firing. Its not a first amendment issue its about a teacher being fired for stepping outside their bounds or what ever it is you want to call it.
    Being fired is not the same as being sued. The teacher may indeed be fired if what he said went against internal policies of the school. This ruling merely states that he cannot be sued for expressing his opinion. The school district can still fire him if he violated its policies.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Tempest in a teapot. Its silly that there is a lawsuit over this.

    For a teacher to make such a statement demonstrates IMO that said 'teacher' is a bad teacher. If you are in a classroom environment where this comes up, how does such a judgemental position by an 'educator' encourage critical thinking? And as much as people here want to pretend it isnt the case, there are a whole lot of people that discount religious dogma that havent the first clue on evolution, the origins of mankind and the development of the cosmos. Sorry folks...but there are just as many people rooted in their own superstitious 'beliefs' regarding the big bang theory as there are religious creation.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What is your deal with trying to turn every single ****ing topic into a discussion of your crackpot race ****?
    He obviously has an agenda of some sort. The question is what does he imagine he can gain from pursuing this agenda.

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    Re: Judges rule for teacher who called creationism "superstitious nonsense"

    Well... regardless if the teacher was right or wrong, public schools should be as neutral as possible when it comes to teacher opinions on these kinds of things, unless we are specifically in a religion or philosophy class that addresses such issues. There is no need to go on a political tangent in class the way this teacher did. It alienates the students who are otherwise there to learn specific subject matter.

    At the same time, teachers are not robots and we can't expect them to live like they are. I've had teachers say some pretty outrageous things in my day. It becomes a matter of gossip and then it's forgotten. I think suing the school was an overreaction.

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