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Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

This is no surprise. Americans, mostly, want to have a stricted border policy, but doing this would get rid of a major political chip. Liberals want to go the opposite dircetion and give illegals amnesty in hopes that it will catapult the latino vote in their favor, the right wing doesn't want to do anything about it because then they can't point fingers at what the other side isn't doing, that and making stricter border laws will definitely hurt their already dismal latino votes.
 
This is no surprise. Americans, mostly, want to have a stricted border policy, but doing this would get rid of a major political chip. Liberals want to go the opposite dircetion and give illegals amnesty in hopes that it will catapult the latino vote in their favor, the right wing doesn't want to do anything about it because then they can't point fingers at what the other side isn't doing, that and making stricter border laws will definitely hurt their already dismal latino votes.

Can you spell B.S.?
 
The options aren't mutually exclusive options. Having a secure border would mitigate most of the negative effects of amnesty.
 
The options aren't mutually exclusive options. Having a secure border would mitigate most of the negative effects of amnesty.

We've previously been down the amnesty road. No thanks.
 
And if a liberal publication asked this same question, the responses, of course, would be different.What we have now does not work, it would be stupid, similar to continuing prohibition as long as we did..I favor an open border.....
An open border is suicide on many different fronts.
 
Border control.
Amenesty does nothing to manage the daily influx of illegal aliens.
 
I'm all for Border Control. I'm also for deporting ALL illegal aliens here in the United States, and for permanently rescinding the business license of any business found to be employing even a single illegal worker.
 
I'm all for Border Control. I'm also for deporting ALL illegal aliens here in the United States, and for permanently rescinding the business license of any business found to be employing even a single illegal worker.

Oh, stop being so light on the American businessman who intentionally hires illegals. Lets look at the crime this bastard is committing on his fellow Americans.

The tax payer is forced to pay for schooling, medical care, unemployment, car theft, break ins, murder, rape, court costs, prostitution, police costs, jail time, ICE program, border control, transportation, destruction to our deserts and national parks, destruction of private property, assaulting citizens, slaughtering live stock, drug running, gun running, kidnapping, human trafficking, diseases, pollution, and I am sure there is much more.

The bastard businessman should be shot, but I offer him leniency. He should be arrested and get ten years for every illegal he is harboring. He should share that cell with his illegal buddies and be their bitch. The illegals should be on chain gangs cleaning our deserts and parks of the waste they created. They should come home to their cell where their bitch cooks their meals & prepares their lunches, plus gets butt Fed regularly. Everything he owns, regardless of shared property, should be sold off and dump his broke family in the streets.
 
Oh, stop being so light on the American businessman who intentionally hires illegals. Lets look at the crime this bastard is committing on his fellow Americans.

The tax payer is forced to pay for schooling, medical care, unemployment, car theft, break ins, murder, rape, court costs, prostitution, police costs, jail time, ICE program, border control, transportation, destruction to our deserts and national parks, destruction of private property, assaulting citizens, slaughtering live stock, drug running, gun running, kidnapping, human trafficking, diseases, pollution, and I am sure there is much more.

The bastard businessman should be shot, but I offer him leniency. He should be arrested and get ten years for every illegal he is harboring. He should share that cell with his illegal buddies and be their bitch. The illegals should be on chain gangs cleaning our deserts and parks of the waste they created. They should come home to their cell where their bitch cooks their meals & prepares their lunches, plus gets butt Fed regularly. Everything he owns, regardless of shared property, should be sold off and dump his broke family in the streets.

I don't know that I would jail him, but I would definitely make the business license null and void and charge massive fines per each illegal, something like $300,000 per.
 
Oh, stop being so light on the American businessman who intentionally hires illegals. Lets look at the crime this bastard is committing on his fellow Americans.

The tax payer is forced to pay for schooling, medical care, unemployment, car theft, break ins, murder, rape, court costs, prostitution, police costs, jail time, ICE program, border control, transportation, destruction to our deserts and national parks, destruction of private property, assaulting citizens, slaughtering live stock, drug running, gun running, kidnapping, human trafficking, diseases, pollution, and I am sure there is much more.

The bastard businessman should be shot, but I offer him leniency. He should be arrested and get ten years for every illegal he is harboring. He should share that cell with his illegal buddies and be their bitch. The illegals should be on chain gangs cleaning our deserts and parks of the waste they created. They should come home to their cell where their bitch cooks their meals & prepares their lunches, plus gets butt Fed regularly. Everything he owns, regardless of shared property, should be sold off and dump his broke family in the streets.


My sentiments too...the democrats dont do squat about the border because they want the votes.....GOP doesnt do squat about the border because they want coolie wages so the pigs at the trough can pay less...

Make the fines so high for hiring and working illegals no one would do it....
 
And if a liberal publication asked this same question, the responses, of course, would be different.What we have now does not work, it would be stupid, similar to continuing prohibition as long as we did..I favor an open border.....

With a concomitant move to completely eradicate all social welfare programs and spending, right? Because anyone who advocated a completely open border in a state with social welfare programs would have to be stark raving mad.
 
I don't know that I would jail him, but I would definitely make the business license null and void and charge massive fines per each illegal, something like $300,000 per.

Hmm, would you jail him, knowing he harbored and fed the rapist or child molester of one of your family members assualted by the illegal? How about if the illegal crashed a stolen car into yours, and wiped out your family? One grocery line in Arizona had over 1000 illegals working for it. That is 1000 American jobs you are paying unemployment for, and 1000 workers and their familys most likely forced out of their homes. If I got you fired and replaced with a foreigner, you would want me shot.
 
It is what it is. Even Bush said that the cries for strict border security was just an "isolationist phase."

If Bush said that, he was wrong. It is nothing to do with isolationism.
 
I'm not in favor of neither, and both, maybe.

I don't favor either option as a first measure to deal with illegal immigration. In my opinion the first thing we should be doing is going after businesses that hire illegal immigrants.

Once we've determined the efficacy of that measure, then possibly we tighten up border security.

Once we've staunched the flow of illegals into the country, I think it would be a good idea to loosen up the restrictions on legal immigration a little, as well as possibly offering amnesty to illegals already in the country.
 
And if a liberal publication asked this same question, the responses, of course, would be different.What we have now does not work, it would be stupid, similar to continuing prohibition as long as we did..I favor an open border.....

What we have now is a lack of effort by the Feds to control illegal immigration. Change that and problem could be minimized or ended.
 
Amnesty. Make getting a visa easier and easier to immigrate into the country and get them in the tax payer system...
Plus most immigrants have a "right of return".
 
No to amnesty. I was all for it in the '80's, when Reagan granted amnesty to 2 million aliens in the USA. The result was an immediate surge of illegal crossings at an unprecedented level. Now there are over 20 million+ here, and the economic cost is enormous, around 20 Billion annually in California alone.

My thing is this: Nearly every country on the planet has immigration laws and secures their borders. America has immigration laws. Why the hell aren't we enforcing them? (I know why, but if I go into that this will turn into a tl;dr borefest) Why is America considered the bad guy for trying to secure its borders, just like the rest of the world? Besides the fact that we do a piss-poor job of it, and the little matter that there are 8,000 freaking miles of border to secure.

Uh-uh, no more amnesty. I want the borders secured, illegals who are found deported and every business that employs illegals fined until the cost is 100 times greater than the exploitation of cheap labor would save. There's no excuse for employers not to know their employees immigration status. There's a free .gov website that any employer can access that will instantly detect false green card and social security numbers.
 
Hmm, would you jail him, knowing he harbored and fed the rapist or child molester of one of your family members assualted by the illegal? How about if the illegal crashed a stolen car into yours, and wiped out your family? One grocery line in Arizona had over 1000 illegals working for it. That is 1000 American jobs you are paying unemployment for, and 1000 workers and their familys most likely forced out of their homes. If I got you fired and replaced with a foreigner, you would want me shot.

On a personal level I would try to kill you myself. Though, that gets into to totally different legal grounds. Sticking strictly to giving illegals jobs, no, it doesn't deserve jail time, just massive fines. Harboring fugitives does require jail time.
 
I want strict border control and nothing even remotely resembling amnesty for anyone, ever. You break our most basic laws, you don't deserve to be here, period.
 
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