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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Amnesty. Make getting a visa easier and easier to immigrate into the country and get them in the tax payer system...
    Plus most immigrants have a "right of return".
    This is what I would call treason. You are aligning yourself with the interests of foreigners over those of the US and over the interests of America's net tax-paying class. You want to burden that class with an even greater number of people that they have to subsidize.

    Having a redistribution debate which is focused only on the interests of American citizens is one type of debate but to purposely agitate to exacerbate that debate by aligning yourself with the interests of foreigners is really crossing the line.

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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    No to amnesty. I was all for it in the '80's, when Reagan granted amnesty to 2 million aliens in the USA. The result was an immediate surge of illegal crossings at an unprecedented level. Now there are over 20 million+ here, and the economic cost is enormous, around 20 Billion annually in California alone.

    My thing is this: Nearly every country on the planet has immigration laws and secures their borders. America has immigration laws. Why the hell aren't we enforcing them? (I know why, but if I go into that this will turn into a tl;dr borefest) Why is America considered the bad guy for trying to secure its borders, just like the rest of the world? Besides the fact that we do a piss-poor job of it, and the little matter that there are 8,000 freaking miles of border to secure.

    Uh-uh, no more amnesty. I want the borders secured, illegals who are found deported and every business that employs illegals fined until the cost is 100 times greater than the exploitation of cheap labor would save. There's no excuse for employers not to know their employees immigration status. There's a free .gov website that any employer can access that will instantly detect false green card and social security numbers.
    Totally agree! BTW, you know I love Obama but if he does not win in this next election? He is gonna write and grant amnesty for anybody illegal here on his way out.. Watch and see.
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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This is what I would call treason. You are aligning yourself with the interests of foreigners over those of the US and over the interests of America's net tax-paying class. You want to burden that class with an even greater number of people that they have to subsidize.

    Having a redistribution debate which is focused only on the interests of American citizens is one type of debate but to purposely agitate to exacerbate that debate by aligning yourself with the interests of foreigners is really crossing the line.
    You have got to be kidding me....


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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    The either or approach is simple minded. Both...and then some. Step 1, close the borders. Step 2, give everyone here 30 days to go home or we legalize them. Step 3, ensure everyone that IS here has a valid SSN and make a red/green light SSN verification available and mandatory. Step 4, no under the table off the books employment. Step 5, fines and jail for employers that hire people illegaly. Step 6, work with Mexico to establish preferred trade status, equitable employment rules, similar currency values, etc. Invest the money that would be spent over 10 years in tracking down, jailing, trying and transporting illegals in better trade schools and industrial opportunities. Legalize marijuana. Build bigger and better supermax facilities and not be afraid to fill them.

    Just closing the border is unrealistic and wont work. Just offering amnesty is simple minded and every 10 years or so we would face the same problem. Current state, we have about 20-30 illegal immigrants here and MOST of them are working. How many jobs have been lost and how large a dent would 20-30 million jobs make in the national employment picture?

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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Totally agree! BTW, you know I love Obama but if he does not win in this next election? He is gonna write and grant amnesty for anybody illegal here on his way out.. Watch and see.
    Im betting you see it before the election...he needs the votes.

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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This is what I would call treason. You are aligning yourself with the interests of foreigners over those of the US and over the interests of America's net tax-paying class.
    Actually, it isn't treason when you think about it as aligning yourself in with the interests of changing foreigners into Americans, which is in the interest of the US. My own father is an example of just such a former foreigner.

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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    neither
    border control should only be a mechanism for sorting out terrorists
    otherwise, let in all comers
    we want them to spend their money here
    that helps the economy and partially offsets the balance of trade deficit

    but unless they have followed our laws, they are ineligible for any employment
    the present laws are adequate but are not enforced
    we can help by incentivizing the reporting of illegal workers
    whatever hefty fine the employer is required to pay because he hired an illegal goes to the person who reported the illegal hire
    it will become a cottage industry
    and overnight, the illegals will be off of the payrolls

    and the illegals must be denied ANY government assistance
    no drivers licenses
    no bank accounts without a drivers license/ID
    no school for the kids without a drivers license/ID
    no (government funded) health care without the ID [the only exception being where the patient's life would be in immediate danger without medical attention]
    no housing assistance without the ID
    no food stamps without the ID
    no business licenses without the ID

    in short, without having a means to live illegally in the USA, the illegals will solve our problem for us
    that whoosh sound you will hear is the convoy of illegals taking themselves south of the border
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    neither
    border control should only be a mechanism for sorting out terrorists
    otherwise, let in all comers
    we want them to spend their money herethat helps the economy and partially offsets the balance of trade deficit
    Thats some seriously funny stuff right there! YES...indeed...THAT is why they are sneaking into the country...not for under the table jobs and to send moeny back to their families in mejico...but for the awesome SHOPPING we have here.

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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Which do you favor....Americans by a 2-1 margin prefer border control over Amnesty

    Voters Put Border Control Ahead of Amnesty by 2-1 Margin - Rasmussen Reports™
    This is a false choice.

    If we have a closed border, Mexicans will get here anyway and be 'stuck' here unable to return to Mexico. We should open the border and monitor who comes here.


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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is a false choice.

    If we have a closed border, Mexicans will get here anyway and be 'stuck' here unable to return to Mexico. We should open the border and monitor who comes here.
    For them to be stuck here, they'd have to want to leave in the first place.
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