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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And if a liberal publication asked this same question, the responses, of course, would be different.What we have now does not work, it would be stupid, similar to continuing prohibition as long as we did..I favor an open border.....
    What we have now is a lack of effort by the Feds to control illegal immigration. Change that and problem could be minimized or ended.

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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Amnesty. Make getting a visa easier and easier to immigrate into the country and get them in the tax payer system...
    Plus most immigrants have a "right of return".


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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    No to amnesty. I was all for it in the '80's, when Reagan granted amnesty to 2 million aliens in the USA. The result was an immediate surge of illegal crossings at an unprecedented level. Now there are over 20 million+ here, and the economic cost is enormous, around 20 Billion annually in California alone.

    My thing is this: Nearly every country on the planet has immigration laws and secures their borders. America has immigration laws. Why the hell aren't we enforcing them? (I know why, but if I go into that this will turn into a tl;dr borefest) Why is America considered the bad guy for trying to secure its borders, just like the rest of the world? Besides the fact that we do a piss-poor job of it, and the little matter that there are 8,000 freaking miles of border to secure.

    Uh-uh, no more amnesty. I want the borders secured, illegals who are found deported and every business that employs illegals fined until the cost is 100 times greater than the exploitation of cheap labor would save. There's no excuse for employers not to know their employees immigration status. There's a free .gov website that any employer can access that will instantly detect false green card and social security numbers.

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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    Hmm, would you jail him, knowing he harbored and fed the rapist or child molester of one of your family members assualted by the illegal? How about if the illegal crashed a stolen car into yours, and wiped out your family? One grocery line in Arizona had over 1000 illegals working for it. That is 1000 American jobs you are paying unemployment for, and 1000 workers and their familys most likely forced out of their homes. If I got you fired and replaced with a foreigner, you would want me shot.
    On a personal level I would try to kill you myself. Though, that gets into to totally different legal grounds. Sticking strictly to giving illegals jobs, no, it doesn't deserve jail time, just massive fines. Harboring fugitives does require jail time.
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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    I want strict border control and nothing even remotely resembling amnesty for anyone, ever. You break our most basic laws, you don't deserve to be here, period.
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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    If Bush said that, he was wrong. It is nothing to do with isolationism.
    Just to show that I'm not talking out of my ass.

    George Bush says Tea Party suffers from "Nativism" | Crooks and Liars

    Ingraham: Last November President Bush remarked that the Tea Party is good for the country. But why did he attack a key priority for many Tea Partiers, namely, getting our borders under control and preventing mass amnesty for illegal immigrants?


    Bush: What's interesting about our country, if you study history, is that there are some 'isms' that occasionally pop up -- pop up. One is isolationism and its evil twin protectionism and its evil triplet nativism. So if you study the '20s, for example, there was -- there was an American first policy that said who cares what happens in Europe?...And there was an immigration policy that I think during this period argued we had too many Jews and too many Italians; therefore we should have no immigrants. And my point is that we've been through this kind of period of isolationism, protectionism and Nativism. I'm a little concerned that we may be going through the same period."
    and no, it's not isolationism.
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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Just to show that I'm not talking out of my ass.

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    and no, it's not isolationism.
    I'm beginning to think the poor man is back on the sauce again. Not wanting illegal immigration is neither isolationism nor nativism. Depending on our economy, legal immigration should be encouraged. A guest worker program should be utilized for highly special situations. Neither legal immigation nor a guest worker program is isolationist or nativist. Please tell President Bush that I believe he is sadly mistaken.

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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    I lived in Arizona for over 50 years. What we have right now is working. Our law enforcement gets to brag about what it’s doing but effectively gets nothing effective done. The Republicans get to have illegals as in issue. And the businesses get to have all the low paid illegal workers they want. Ineffective laws are proposed and sometimes passed to good political effect but without screwing anything up for businesses. What the heck is the problem with this? It’s not going to change with businesses running things in Joe Arpaio’s town. Got it? Now quit complaining.

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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Which do you favor....Americans by a 2-1 margin prefer border control over Amnesty

    Voters Put Border Control Ahead of Amnesty by 2-1 Margin - Rasmussen Reports™
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    Re: Do you prefer Border Control or Amnesty for illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I want strict border control and nothing even remotely resembling amnesty for anyone, ever. You break our most basic laws, you don't deserve to be here, period.
    Then do you support the automatic Cuban amnesty law as well then?


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