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    Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct and an accurate reflection of good ethics or is it a good piece of work that constantly needs to be altered? Is it good practice to sight part(s) of the constitution and its amendments as solid evidence for one's argument on an ethical position?
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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Times change, and so should our Constitution. I find that Founding Fatherism is one of the sillier religions in our society; the dudes who wrote the Constitution were just some politicians. They had some good ideas, some awful ideas, and some ideas that may have been good at the time but simply didn't survive the test of time. It's strange that people can argue that their values were what made this country great, while at the same time lamenting that we don't follow their values.
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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Times change, and so should our Constitution. I find that Founding Fatherism is one of the sillier religions in our society; the dudes who wrote the Constitution were just some politicians. They had some good ideas, some awful ideas, and some ideas that may have been good at the time but simply didn't survive the test of time. It's strange that people can argue that their values were what made this country great, while at the same time lamenting that we don't follow their values.
    My thoughts exactly .. I find it deplorable when people think that anything constitutional must be "right"

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    My thoughts exactly .. I find it deplorable when people think that anything constitutional must be "right"
    I've said many times, "right" and "freedom" are two words Americans love to abuse.
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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    The Constitution is a living document and so it is subject to interpretations, but there are some baseline interpretations that should not change. We know the true context, we know the intent behind it - so stop messing with it.

    Frankly though, our government's expansion of power has gotten way out of control and the safe guards are not so effective anymore. Time for something new perhaps?

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Our whole Existence today we owe to the brilliance of our Founders and if you study what it took for them to come to the decisions that lead to it's Ratification you will see that. To deny it it is to is yo open yourself and us up to the kind of tyranny that they and tens of thousands of others fought and died to avoid in the past 235 years.

    No other form of Government has lasted as long or been able to come so far.


    What Our Constitution has done is set the bar high and make our Nation the envy of the world.


    People from every other Country have come here to get away from every other form of Government the ever existed and each one of those people save a few have contributed to the miracle that America became.


    Today we are under the threat of tyranny once again as some Liberals are doing there best to circumvent the Constitution and ignore the laws well established to promote agendas that would lead to our ultimate demise if they go unchecked, and yes i am talking about Obama.


    He is currently doing his best to ignore the law in order to stay in power and the sad thing is he is leading a bunch who are unable to see what is truly going on with his latest maneuver yo create Amnesty for people who have no right to be here in the first place.

    He wants to reward them for cutting in line and cost us billions of dollars.


    I hear people say what do you want to do pit them on busses and send them home?


    No I want to cut odd all services to them punish those who would employ them as the law says we should and they will find their own way home.

    Immigrants who followed the rules have become great Americans but today you can go to parts of California and if you don't speak a foreign language your out of luck. Those areas are being turned into the crap holes these people claimed to be escaping.

    We don't need millions coming here to drag down our standard of living and we don't need Obama to pander to them so that he can turn thid Nation into the s+++ hole he told the world it is when he went on his apology tour of the world two years ago.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Our whole Existence today we owe to the brilliance of our Founders and if you study what it took for them to come to the decisions that lead to it's Ratification you will see that. To deny it it is to is yo open yourself and us up to the kind of tyranny that they and tens of thousands of others fought and died to avoid in the past 235 years.

    No other form of Government has lasted as long or been able to come so far.


    What Our Constitution has done is set the bar high and make our Nation the envy of the world.


    People from every other Country have come here to get away from every other form of Government the ever existed and each one of those people save a few have contributed to the miracle that America became.


    Today we are under the threat of tyranny once again as some Liberals are doing there best to circumvent the Constitution and ignore the laws well established to promote agendas that would lead to our ultimate demise if they go unchecked, and yes i am talking about Obama.


    He is currently doing his best to ignore the law in order to stay in power and the sad thing is he is leading a bunch who are unable to see what is truly going on with his latest maneuver yo create Amnesty for people who have no right to be here in the first place.

    He wants to reward them for cutting in line and cost us billions of dollars.


    I hear people say what do you want to do pit them on busses and send them home?


    No I want to cut odd all services to them punish those who would employ them as the law says we should and they will find their own way home.

    Immigrants who followed the rules have become great Americans but today you can go to parts of California and if you don't speak a foreign language your out of luck. Those areas are being turned into the crap holes these people claimed to be escaping.

    We don't need millions coming here to drag down our standard of living and we don't need Obama to pander to them so that he can turn thid Nation into the s+++ hole he told the world it is when he went on his apology tour of the world two years ago.
    Other than the title, what does this post have to do with whether the constitution is sacrosanct? Which did you want to talk about, the instrument of the constitution, or how much you hate liberals and Obama?

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    There's plenty in the constitution that is unclear and up for interpretation. It's up to us to interpret it in the way that best benefits the country. So no, I don't believe the constitution is sacrosanct.
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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Our whole Existence today we owe to the brilliance of our Founders and if you study what it took for them to come to the decisions that lead to it's Ratification you will see that. To deny it it is to is yo open yourself and us up to the kind of tyranny that they and tens of thousands of others fought and died to avoid in the past 235 years.
    No other form of Government has lasted as long or been able to come so far.
    What Our Constitution has done is set the bar high and make our Nation the envy of the world.
    People from every other Country have come here to get away from every other form of Government the ever existed and each one of those people save a few have contributed to the miracle that America became.
    Today we are under the threat of tyranny once again as some Liberals are doing there best to circumvent the Constitution and ignore the laws well established to promote agendas that would lead to our ultimate demise if they go unchecked, and yes i am talking about Obama.
    He is currently doing his best to ignore the law in order to stay in power and the sad thing is he is leading a bunch who are unable to see what is truly going on with his latest maneuver yo create Amnesty for people who have no right to be here in the first place.
    He wants to reward them for cutting in line and cost us billions of dollars.
    I hear people say what do you want to do pit them on busses and send them home?
    No I want to cut odd all services to them punish those who would employ them as the law says we should and they will find their own way home.
    Immigrants who followed the rules have become great Americans but today you can go to parts of California and if you don't speak a foreign language your out of luck. Those areas are being turned into the crap holes these people claimed to be escaping.
    We don't need millions coming here to drag down our standard of living and we don't need Obama to pander to them so that he can turn thid Nation into the s+++ hole he told the world it is when he went on his apology tour of the world two years ago.
    I doubt the Founding Fathers intended to be worshiped as Gods, yes they were certainly great men but damn this kind of twisted view of the world is really sick.

    I'll give you an example, what happened to individual freedoms such as "Freedom of Speech" it seems pretty straight forward, but suddenly if I don't speak English I can't be an American? Or me and my neighbors can't live in the kind of community we want to? When did your love of this country shift from a focus on personal freedoms to one of universal conformity? I'll tell you what I think America should be about, and let's not forget that as an American my opinion on this matter means as much as yours, that America is about PERSONAL freedoms. The freedom to speak a language of my choice, although I personally agree for practical reasons the country needs an official language at the Federal level, and its my choice to live with the kind of people I want to and if me and a few hundred or thousand people from a similar culture background and start a community.

    So what about America means more to you? Is it making everyone conform to YOUR idea of what America "is?" Where's the personal freedom in that? Or should we let people live how they want to live so long as they do the same?

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Our whole Existence today we owe to the brilliance of our Founders and if you study what it took for them to come to the decisions that lead to it's Ratification you will see that. To deny it it is to is yo open yourself and us up to the kind of tyranny that they and tens of thousands of others fought and died to avoid in the past 235 years.
    For someone who talks about how we should study, you don't seem to know that the Constitution was ratified only 224 years ago not 235. I mean it would seem to me that someone who had a basic knowledge as I'm sure you claim to at least have, would that taking 2011 and subtracting 1776, which gets you 235. So no at the very least no one before 1787 fought and died for a document which didn't exist yet, and if you really think Soldiers in the present or the future thinking of the Constitution while they fight and die, let me tell you thats far far far from reality and only exists in some romantic fantastical notion people like you seem to have.

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