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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    My main thoughts are that the founding documents need to be more accessible to being changed to fit the needs of an ever advancing society, which often advances along with technology.

    I include all of the parts of theses documents from the constitution (yes even those delineating how change is supposed to come about .. ooohh, I said it, how dare I) its amendments and the bill of rights to laws/precedents themselves. Our whole government and legal system needs a reworking. As of now, things are too slow and expensive for our quickly changing environment.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    My main thoughts are that the founding documents need to be more accessible to being changed to fit the needs of an ever advancing society, which often advances along with technology.

    I include all of the parts of theses documents from the constitution (yes even those delineating how change is supposed to come about .. ooohh, I said it, how dare I) its amendments and the bill of rights to laws/precedents themselves. Our whole government and legal system needs a reworking. As of now, things are too slow and expensive for our quickly changing environment.
    To change to quickly could have a very negative effect, as this has been proven time after time in world history. The amendment process I think was meant to be slow, but the expensive part is up for debate.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    My main thoughts are that the founding documents need to be more accessible to being changed to fit the needs of an ever advancing society, which often advances along with technology.

    I include all of the parts of theses documents from the constitution (yes even those delineating how change is supposed to come about .. ooohh, I said it, how dare I) its amendments and the bill of rights to laws/precedents themselves. Our whole government and legal system needs a reworking. As of now, things are too slow and expensive for our quickly changing environment.
    No thanks. I like the Constitution and the amendment process as it is. I wish people would not pervert it for their own ends. I can think of about three or four amendments that I would like to see, but I doubt you would like any of them and none would change how amendments would be made.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    To change to quickly could have a very negative effect, as this has been proven time after time in world history. The amendment process I think was meant to be slow, but the expensive part is up for debate.
    Ah .. satisfied with how our government is running now aye?

    If you haven't noticed .. things aren't getting done .. usually a sign that the system is outdated. One cannot base decisions regarding what is too fast on history as we are in a day and age that is like no other and is much much faster in pace. I knew there'd be naysayers .. its almost like people think by faster I mean one day or something .. wow .. how doubting Thomas of you.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    No thanks. I like the Constitution and the amendment process as it is. I wish people would not pervert it for their own ends. I can think of about three or four amendments that I would like to see, but I doubt you would like any of them and none would change how amendments would be made.
    As I knew you would .. you are after all a conservative .. this means you shy away from progressive change ... you know taking "conservative" steps .. such resistance to change is maladaptive as change is the only thing that is certain in this life

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Ah .. satisfied with how our government is running now aye?

    If you haven't noticed .. things aren't getting done .. usually a sign that the system is outdated. One cannot base decisions regarding what is too fast on history as we are in a day and age that is like no other and is much much faster in pace. I knew there'd be naysayers .. its almost like people think by faster I mean one day or something .. wow .. how doubting Thomas of you.
    LOL.. have to love ya MusicAdventurer, no things don't get done for the very fact that our officials don't follow the constitution, but they do managed to piss all over it, that why things aren't getting done..

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Ah .. satisfied with how our government is running now aye?

    If you haven't noticed .. things aren't getting done .. usually a sign that the system is outdated. One cannot base decisions regarding what is too fast on history as we are in a day and age that is like no other and is much much faster in pace. I knew there'd be naysayers .. its almost like people think by faster I mean one day or something .. wow .. how doubting Thomas of you.
    LOL! Maybe we should slow down our thinking so we make good decisions rather than fast decisions. Gridlock and outmoded are two different things. There is nothing wrong with the system. There is something wrong with us. We cannot agree on anything. What's the solution. I have one. You agree with me and let's just call it a day. Fair enough?

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    As I knew you would .. you are after all a conservative .. this means you shy away from progressive change ... you know taking "conservative" steps .. such resistance to change is maladaptive as change is the only thing that is certain in this life
    what is your definition a conservative? Now be honest and to have a debate it would be common courtesy to know what prism you see us through.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    As I knew you would .. you are after all a conservative .. this means you shy away from progressive change ... you know taking "conservative" steps .. such resistance to change is maladaptive as change is the only thing that is certain in this life
    We got change in 2008 and look what that has wrought. Please no more change for a century or two.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    what is your definition a conservative? Now be honest and to have a debate it would be common courtesy to know what prism you see us through.
    Off topic but a good place.

    You seem like one of the reasonable conservatives here, and as you brought this up I have a question.

    I have very traditionally conservative upbringing, and most of my personal code of conduct is "conservative" as well.

    I usually find myself arguing from the "left", because to me, modern conservatism doesn't jibe with my upbringing.

    Is there an appropriate term for "predatory" conservatives?

    Neocon is burned out.

    I ask because their is a clear distinction in my thinking between the conservatism I grew up with and the conservatism currently ascendant in our politics. I would like to be able to separate the two by distinct terms, to avoid confusion.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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