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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nothing in the constitution GIVES me or anyone any rights. Those rights were presumed to PRE EXIST the constitution.
    What it does is declare rights that one CAN have becaue the government wants them to - whether they pre-existed or not is purely subjected. Slaves came to have rights that - for them - did not pre-exst but for property owning rights they always did . . . same with women - etc.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Absolutely not and I think the founding fathers would be horrified to see how much they are worshiped by some people. They were just men, they had some good ideas. They were not perfect, if they were, we wouldn't have needed to amend the Constitution so many times already. There are certainly parts of the Constitution that need to be rewritten to clarify it, or even thrown out entirely and redone. The Constitution is a living document, it's not something to be bowed down to. It's idiotic to pretend otherwise.
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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nothing in the constitution GIVES me or anyone any rights. Those rights were presumed to PRE EXIST the constitution.
    The founding fathers were wrong. Rights are granted by society, they don't just float around in the ether somewhere.
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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Absolutely not and I think the founding fathers would be horrified to see how much they are worshiped by some people. They were just men, they had some good ideas. They were not perfect, if they were, we wouldn't have needed to amend the Constitution so many times already. There are certainly parts of the Constitution that need to be rewritten to clarify it, or even thrown out entirely and redone. The Constitution is a living document, it's not something to be bowed down to. It's idiotic to pretend otherwise.
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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So your right to use the internet predates the internet?
    essentially yes based on the premises of the founders. BTW there is nothing in the constitution where the people delegated their rights to the federal government on this issue either



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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The founding fathers were wrong. Rights are granted by society, they don't just float around in the ether somewhere.
    clearly a sound de facto argument but not accurate when speaking in terms of constitutional theory



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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    How can you make this argument when there are parts of the Constitution that no one understands the meaning or purpose of even to this day

    If it's not a living document then it sure as hell is confusing and muddled - for it to be set it stone it needs to be more precise and specific, not wishy washy and permissible to alter and add onto.
    Let me help you out...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/histor...documents.html

    Start reading! If you get halfway through that list and don't begin to see crystal clarity inherent in the constitution... well then I suggest you read the whole list. That goes for anyone that is "confused" about Our constitution, it's vision and intent and thinks it's wide open to interpretation. It's not. But to understand it, one must LEARN of the history, philosophy, evolution that preceded the founding fathers, that they were students of, and preceded by centuries the founding of this country, but more importantly, to understand why these documents and theories behind them are the most powerful and important documents in the history of civilization.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Not sure I understand the question.

    Doesn't the Constitution provide a method for amending itself? So, doesn't that mean that it was intended to be amended at some point? If it is intended to be amended, does that make amending it part of the original intent?

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    clearly a sound de facto argument but not accurate when speaking in terms of constitutional theory
    It's simply reality. It doesn't matter what theory is behind the Constitution if it is factually incorrect.
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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's simply reality. It doesn't matter what theory is behind the Constitution if it is factually incorrect.
    lol, What is factually incorrect about the constitution?

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