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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Could not agree more



    while I agree that changing them should not be as easy as say the president signing a petition ... I do think the current process is outdated



    you are entitled to your opinion



    Please explain what you think the traditional "living document" theory is .. I am curious to see just how radical (ooo scary word) conservatives see such a "theory"
    General Welfare clause is the most abused clause in the Constitution, with the Interstate Commerce Clause running a close second. They have been twisted beyond recognition to expand the Constitution adding powers never envisioned.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The traditional "living document" theory is bunk and would require us not to read the rules, in order for it to be true.
    Arguing that the constitution should mean whatever we want it to mean at any given time is no different that arguing that it is meaningless.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Agree.
    Article V has a procedure for this.
    Except that they basically negated the ability effectively make change in the way they delineated said procedure (I am sure our founding fathers were laughing all the way to the bank after they made that procedure... arrogance and greed). Seriously people, has everyone been so brainwashed that we think our founding fathers were some kinds of saints? Blind patriotism has got to be a cardinal sin.

    On a side note ... has anyone every heard of the book called "Lies My Teacher Told Me"? I have yet to read it, but I have heard it debunks a lot of the things that were brainwashed into youth via public education.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Umm .. when did we make needed changes to the founding documents that help arrange our governmental system in 2008 ... must have missed that one .. holy crap .. fill me in please, please please
    I see you are having a bit of a problem keeping track of your own conversations. Read what you said that I was responding to. I'm sure you can figure it out.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I see you are having a bit of a problem keeping track of your own conversations. Read what you said that I was responding to. I'm sure you can figure it out.
    Lol, good to see I got a rise out of you .. hey man, make an erroneous statement and I'll call you out on it

    Just to clear things up for those just coming in ... here is what you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    We got change in 2008 and look what that has wrought. Please no more change for a century or two.
    and I replied:

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Umm .. when did we make needed changes to the founding documents that help arrange our governmental system in 2008 ... must have missed that one .. holy crap .. fill me in please, please please
    you can dodge the question with insults all you want, it won't change the fact that you made an erroneous statement

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Lol, good to see I got a rise out of you .. hey man, make an erroneous statement and I'll call you out on it

    Just to clear things up for those just coming in ... here is what you said:

    and I replied:

    you can dodge the question with insults all you want, it won't change the fact that you made an erroneous statement
    What you posted is true, but you failed to post what you had said prior to my statement about 2008. Try a little honesty next time.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    What you posted is true, but you failed to post what you had said prior to my statement about 2008. Try a little honesty next time.
    I can only assume you are talking about the following statement I made:

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    As I knew you would .. you are after all a conservative .. this means you shy away from progressive change ... you know taking "conservative" steps .. such resistance to change is maladaptive as change is the only thing that is certain in this life
    I can only assume that you took this to mean I was talking about something other than altering our founding documents. Considering the fact that this specific statement alone (without reading my previous posts to the thread) was general and could be taken out of context, I can see what you are saying. But you must know that your interpretation was not how I meant it. If you go back a bit and read my previous posts you should see what I mean.
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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I can only assume you are talking about the following statement I made:

    I can only assume that you took this to mean I was talking about something other than altering our founding documents. Considering the fact that this specific statement alone (without reading my previous posts to the thread) was general and could be taken out of context, I can see what you are saying. But you must know that your interpretation was not how I meant it. If you go back a bit and read my previous posts you should see what I mean.
    You made a general statement as an attempt to be a put-down to me. That was your sole purpose. Next time, please try to stay on topic.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    You made a general statement as an attempt to be a put-down to me. That was your sole purpose. Next time, please try to stay on topic.
    I did not mean it as an insult to you personally .. I was questioning the nature of conservatism as a whole I find resistance to change to be sad .. I see such tendencies as a cog in the wheel of progress .. I'm entitled to my opinion .. it's difficult when the only thing stopping progress is people's tendencies to resist change out of fear .. still if I offended you I am sorry .. however I will give the definition of conservative below (it is in line with my statement; I might add that everyone was getting a little off topic):

    Conservative define: (Google)

    adjective

    1. Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion

    noun

    1. A person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in relation to politics


    Don't hate the messenger .. so far I think you're a respectable person

    The above is conservative defined ... perhaps you do not not see conservatism in this light?
    Last edited by MusicAdventurer; 08-22-11 at 06:33 PM.

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    Re: Are the U.S. constitution and its amendments sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    Getting back to the OP .. I am still wondering what people's answer's are to the following questions:

    1.) Do you believe our founding documents are sacrosanct? Yes or No?

    2.) Do you believe our founding documents are valid sources on which to base one's ethical argument? Yes or No?

    My answers are as follows:

    1.) No
    2.) No

    is that a surprise?
    Last edited by MusicAdventurer; 08-22-11 at 06:33 PM.

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