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    Re: Self-driving automobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Perhaps with refinement. But in the end, computers don't beat humans.
    Ask Kasparov about that. A computer is better suited to driving on the highway at least, compared to humans. A robot car superior sensors with 360 degree awareness, can very accurately measure the distance of nearby objects, instantly calculate the stopping distance and react to a situation with superhuman speed. There are likely some situations where humans will avoid obstacles that a robot couldn't, but such scenarios are minimal compared to the situations where a human causes an accident simply by screwing . The hundred car pileup would be trivial to avoid with robots. Networked robots can drive optimally spaced apart, instantly communicate is something goes wrong and react within milliseconds of the first collision.

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    Re: Self-driving automobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Ask Kasparov about that.
    Yes, Deep Blue is another good example. Software testing can be done thoroughly by pure simulation and hardware tested separately.
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    Re: Self-driving automobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    As an applied mathematician and computer scientist, I am curious what percentage of the public would accept the conversion from using human-driven automobiles to self-driving automobiles. The necessary technology is clearly realistic. Let's assume, for the sake of simplicity, that the cost will be relatively the same. Here is just an initial list of benefits of my proposal:
    1. Prevention of DUI
    2. Prevention of accidents due to poor driving skills
    3. Prevention of traffic jams
    4. Potential to increase speed limits
    5. Freedom to focus on other things (child, eating, work, etc.)
    6. Auto-navigation

    Some of these even have benefits as a consequence, such as improved fuel efficiency as a result of fewer/no traffic jams. What support or opposition does anyone wish to provide?
    I'm not as gung ho about this as some people. Especially when cars are getting hacked from cell phones.

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    Re: Self-driving automobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's a great idea, with most of the technology readily available now, however it is illegal in all 50 states(iirc).
    It's fully legal in Nevada and semi-legal in California, as of now. But those are both fairly recent changes in their laws. Ultimately I think the government is going to need to reform liability laws before they can become widespread. I would favor holding the manufacturers liable, but having the government offer them extremely cheap subsidized liability insurance (since there is a compelling public interest in minimizing traffic accidents/jams).

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon
    While I like the idea of being able to do something else during my 2.5 hours a day in the car to and from work, the idea of sitting at the wheel of a car doing 80 and not being in control of it would make me real nervous.
    But don't you think that's more related to it being new and unfamiliar? After all, people ride trains and planes all the time despite having no control over them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    Perhaps with refinement. But in the end, computers don't beat humans.
    I strongly disagree. Google's car can react to its surroundings much more quickly than a human driver can...and it isn't prone to doing irresponsible/risky maneuvers in the first place. That performance gap is only likely to increase as computers become more and more powerful.
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    Re: Self-driving automobiles

    For those who chose unsure, is security the biggest/only issue which concerns you?
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    Re: Self-driving automobiles

    What happens after a fierce storm when trees are down?

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    Re: Self-driving automobiles

    I'm still undecided. Seems to be the best option to address traffic jams, but how do they plan to address / prevent glitches? And who is liable if a glitch leads to an accident?

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    Re: Self-driving automobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I'm still undecided. Seems to be the best option to address traffic jams, but how do they plan to address / prevent glitches? And who is liable if a glitch leads to an accident?
    would this not be like a no-fault today?
    insurers should welcome such a change, resulting in fewer accidents and insurance payouts
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    Re: Self-driving automobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    What happens after a fierce storm when trees are down?
    The car's sensors see the trees in the street, and drive around them or make a detour. Just like a human driver would.
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    Re: Self-driving automobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Ask Kasparov about that. A computer is better suited to driving on the highway at least, compared to humans. A robot car superior sensors with 360 degree awareness, can very accurately measure the distance of nearby objects, instantly calculate the stopping distance and react to a situation with superhuman speed. There are likely some situations where humans will avoid obstacles that a robot couldn't, but such scenarios are minimal compared to the situations where a human causes an accident simply by screwing . The hundred car pileup would be trivial to avoid with robots. Networked robots can drive optimally spaced apart, instantly communicate is something goes wrong and react within milliseconds of the first collision.
    The chess playing robot was merely programmed with all the moves and could search better than a human can. However, a computer cannot beat the human brain. Driving in and of itself isn't tough. You could make robots to do it and with time you'd probably be able to develop a good algorithm through which you could properly control traffic. However, a computer does not beat a human. No way no how. The overall power of the human brain is superior to a computer. It cannot think, it can only go off the list of preprogrammed commands and search for one which best fits the situation. Humans are built for a wide variety of stimulus input, and visual data happens to be something our brain is exceedingly good with. Servoing the visual data to commands to muscles is a relatively trivial task. Yes, people mess us. But computers crash, get hacked, if not programmed right they give the wrong solution.

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