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Evolution

Does evolution happen

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celticwar17 said:
To me its a mix between the first two options haha... kind of a paradox but i think a higher power initiated the possibility of life/evolution to happen in this universe of uniformity, and i think that higher power knew exactly what original seeds of life would turn into wherever they were able to pop-up... and the potential of these life forms are only limited by the bounds of the physics around them(whatever the first sparks of life were like random proteins/ bacteria.)

With this theory of mine i don't see how i could think of any life-form as better then another. All life is holy and has a "soul" to me... and this i pretty much the very basis of why i am a deist.
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Evolution does not have a "will", it does not "think" some things are better than others. It is a process not a thing.
 
I believe the evolution happens in the form of adaptation. We are forced to cope with certain aspects of life and environment so we evolve so that we are better suited to it.
 
MusicAdventurer said:
As am I .. clearly we were taught differently .. I encourage you to actually attempt to understand the point I am making. Its actually quite profound and enlightening.
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Kinda difficult to pass things like this through a physics P.H.D. like Ikari is. :D
 
celticwar17 said:
I have only every heard of bacteria. But could you please post a source, cause then i am not up to date on my biology... which is true... im a physics guy after all.
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I am only familiar with bacteria as well and I can post a link when I get a chance to find it

celticwar17 said:
And what i mean by concrete evidence, is that were scientist able to specifically make or observe and wild animal "evolve" (LOL not like Pokemon, but like witness a new species begin to develop from a local species? Were they able to find the environmental changes in why this took place?or breed a new animal species?)
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This is currently considered essentially impossible to be observed, as most believe humans that exist today are genetically the same to those that existed many many years before recorded human history. i.e. Evolution takes a long, long time :)
 
MusicAdventurer said:
As am I .. clearly we were taught differently .. I encourage you to actually attempt to understand the point I am making. Its actually quite profound and enlightening.
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And humble! :)
 
celticwar17 said:
Kinda difficult to pass things like this through a physics P.H.D. like Ikari is. :D
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I can tell .. I don't think he's very familiar with this line of thought .. or he just wants to argue .. oh well :)
 
ksu_aviator said:
Redress actually kind of nails it. In the fossil record animals, fish and birds just appear at about the same time already fully developed. There's no evidence to show that evolution is responsible for mammals. There is no evidence that fish ever walked. There's nothing connecting man to anything. The evidence for macro evolution is quite underwhelming.

Micro evolution is a different story. We know people have change. We know dogs have change. We've seen how animals and fish have changed. They just have morphed into something different.
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Early Human Evolution:  Early Transitional Humans
 
No it is evidence that man came from apes, and disproves your statement that there's nothing connecting man to anything, that's why I bolded it. I wasn't implying anything about macro evolution.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Do we need to go into how initial thoughts on how fossils go together are often way off?

Did you know there is no such thing as a Brontosaurus?
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Yes, but there is such a thing as an Apatosaurus. Do you know how it was determined that both where the same species? By examining the fossils...
 
Redress said:
Do you believe evolution happened and is happening? Do you think a higher power guides evolution or is it random?
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No option for me. I believe evolution occurs according to some laws of nature, much like how planetary orbits are guided by the laws of nature. What those laws are exactly I do not know, but I am confident that they will eventually be discovered.

I don't subscribe to the totally random theory (but not many scientists do, either) and I don't think that it requires sentient guidance (i.e. a deity which is implied by "higher power", although one could argue that higher power can include natural law I did not think that was the power that was intended by teh term).
 
I want to believe that Evolution is led by a higher power, but I have no hard evidence to back this up.

I find the incredible complexity of life on Earth to be almost impossible to see as being 100% random.

Therefore, I simply don't know. Human beings are very arrogant when we propose to know exactly how things happened 2 billion years ago. We is smart, but we ain't that smart.
 
Tucker Case said:
The fact that we are viewing what occurred in the distant past when we observe most stars, galaxies and quasars is one of the most awe inspiring things about our universe.
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I know. Watching galaxies form that happened before there even was a planet Earth blows me away.
 
Thunder said:
yes, but not evolution on Earth.
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Sure, but you made a pretty general statement that encompassed everything, even though it was said in the context of evolution. Clarification was something I felt necessary due to that general nature.
 
Teh Internets said:
No it is evidence that man came from apes, and disproves your statement that there's nothing connecting man to anything, that's why I bolded it. I wasn't implying anything about macro evolution.
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No it is not. It is evidence that humans have changed over time. Further, evolution would have us believe that once a species changes, the older version is lost. Chimps, apes, monkey and all the other primates are still there.
 
Tucker Case said:
Sure, but you made a pretty general statement that encompassed everything, even though it was said in the context of evolution. Clarification was something I felt necessary due to that general nature.
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okee dokee.

but yes, it would be soooo cool if we could find a way to watch events on Earth millions of years ago, through telescopes on Earth.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Further, evolution would have us believe that once a species changes, the older version is lost. Chimps, apes, monkey and all the other primates are still there.
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this is 100% untrue and appears to be an intentional falsehood spread by Creationists.

just because one monkey began the long-line towards humanity doesn't mean the other monkeys were't perfectly well-fit for their environment.

evolution starts in individuals. one individual of a species having an advantage does NOT mean all the other monkeys will die out.

this is either dishonesty or an utter lack of understanding of Evolution.
 
Redress said:
I know. Watching galaxies form that happened before there even was a planet Earth blows me away.
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When I was still majoring in physics, quasar observation through gravitational lenses was my main area of interest (even though I hadn't really gotten that far in my formal studies before switching majors, I spent countless hours researching that stuff on my own time, proving that I am the ultra-nerd!).
 
Tucker Case said:
When I was still majoring in physics, quasar observation through gravitational lenses was my main area of interest (even though I hadn't really gotten that far in my formal studies before switching majors, I spent countless hours researching that stuff on my own time, proving that I am the ultra-nerd!).
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Tashah showed me a couple ultra cool images from gravitational lenses.
 
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