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  • Evolution happens, and it is random

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  • Evolution happens and is guided by a higher power

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  • There is not enough information to know for sure

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    Re: Evolution

    Redress actually kind of nails it. In the fossil record animals, fish and birds just appear at about the same time already fully developed. There's no evidence to show that evolution is responsible for mammals. There is no evidence that fish ever walked. There's nothing connecting man to anything. The evidence for macro evolution is quite underwhelming.

    Micro evolution is a different story. We know people have change. We know dogs have change. We've seen how animals and fish have changed. They just have morphed into something different.
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not know. However, evolution starts once there is life. It does not address how life came to be.
    Ok then we do agree...I didnt answer the right question...but to believe in evolution and not creation...I need to know how the very first piece of life was created.....so I stand by I dont know...

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    Re: Evolution

    There are certain persisting body parts that seem to be a strange part of evolution. Like two species evolving very similar body parts even though their ancestry dates back even before those body parts existed... this is a somewhat unexplained aspect of evolution, as it seems that some bodily structures are more likely to happen then others. For example a squids eye and a mammals eye; both evolved completely separately but turned out to be very similar... some question as to whether pure randomness would demonstrate such a result; others say that having an eyeball is superior aspect of earth... that all species try to approach to an eyeball form..... which isn't the case with all species though.

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Redress actually kind of nails it. In the fossil record animals, fish and birds just appear at about the same time already fully developed. There's no evidence to show that evolution is responsible for mammals. There is no evidence that fish ever walked. There's nothing connecting man to anything. The evidence for macro evolution is quite underwhelming.

    Micro evolution is a different story. We know people have change. We know dogs have change. We've seen how animals and fish have changed. They just have morphed into something different.
    Which is the real monkey wrench in the system...

    I just really don't know why when you try to breed a species into a different one it actually can revert back to its original form with Darwin and his Pigeons.

    To me, the logic points to that it should work; but im sure biologist have an explanation why breeding extensively isn't changing the species, and i think i have read it before but forgot.

    But it is intriguing why we STILL don't have the concrete evidence of micro-evolution.

    i believe in evolution, but we all can not help but to realize that we are speculating a little bit.

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    There are certain persisting body parts that seem to be a strange part of evolution. Like two species evolving very similar body parts even though their ancestry dates back even before those body parts existed... this is a somewhat unexplained aspect of evolution, as it seems that some bodily structures are more likely to happen then others. For example a squids eye and a mammals eye; both evolved completely separately but turned out to be very similar... some question as to whether pure randomness would demonstrate such a result; others say that having an eyeball is superior aspect of earth... that all species try to approach to an eyeball form..... which isn't the case with all species though.
    Some structures work better than others .. however, one has to remember that organisms only can change from what it already has. If an eye in the traditional sense is not feasible from the organism's current structure or if the environment is one any sunlight to speak of, there is less of a chance that it will evolve that way.

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Redress actually kind of nails it. In the fossil record animals, fish and birds just appear at about the same time already fully developed. There's no evidence to show that evolution is responsible for mammals. There is no evidence that fish ever walked. There's nothing connecting man to anything. The evidence for macro evolution is quite underwhelming.

    Micro evolution is a different story. We know people have change. We know dogs have change. We've seen how animals and fish have changed. They just have morphed into something different.
    I posted an image of the fossil of a walking whale in this very thread.
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    However, no scientific theory can be fully proven; one can only support or disprove a theory. For example, the theory of gravity is well supported; there is like a 99.99% chance that when you drop an apple it will fall to the ground ... however, there is still a chance that it will not, however minute that chance is.
    This is wrong. The overall classical behavior of gravity is well known. Under no circumstance will you ever drop an apple and under the force of gravity alone be repelled. We understand that like mass attracts much like like charges repel. Electricity and magnetism is well known, proven from first principle and have quantum models as well. We understand a lot about the other fundamental forces, including the bosons which transmit the force. What makes gravity unique isn't that we don't know that like masses attract; it's far more fundamental than a derived equation. We don't really understand HOW gravity is transmitted. It's postulated to be through exchange of virtual "gravitons", it's why people spend so much time looking for the Higgs boson. Gravity has no quantum model, we don't really understand how it works. There's no negative mass (that we know of), even though everything else has a negative to it (physicists LOVE symmetry). It's not to say that we can't make observations, and in a classical sense understand the FUNCTION of gravity very well. For we can. We have equations and models which can accurately predict gravitational force. It's how we can do any space exploration at all. Classically it is a well understood theory. It remains a theory because there is still much we do not know about it. But you will never drop and apple and have it float away under only the force of gravity. Less you have a negative mass apple, which would be cool.
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Which is the real monkey wrench in the system...

    I just really don't know why when you try to breed a species into a different one it actually can revert back to its original form with Darwin and his Pigeons.

    To me, the logic points to that it should work; but im sure biologist have an explanation why breeding extensively isn't changing the species, and i think i have read it before but forgot.

    But it is intriguing why we STILL don't have the concrete evidence of micro-evolution.

    i believe in evolution, but we all can not help but to realize that we are speculating a little bit.
    We could also get into how carbon dating is bogus and about tests that have shown carbon dating exaggerates the age of rocks and other geological formations. But that might cause the atheists to explode
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    To me, the logic points to that it should work; but im sure biologist have an explanation why breeding extensively isn't changing the species, and i think i have read it before but forgot.
    Evolution works on random genetic mutations, as breeding is not acting on random genetic mutations and instead acting on different genetics related to traits within a species, evolution into another species is about as likely to occur when breeding as it is within nature.

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    But it is intriguing why we STILL don't have the concrete evidence of micro-evolution.
    Actually there has been evidence of micro-evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    i believe in evolution, but we all can not help but to realize that we are speculating a little bit.
    Sure there is a bit of hypothesis involved, i.e. scientific evidence based speculation.

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    "I think, instead, that evolution occurs on the basis of necessity. "

    What do you think mutation is?

    You said this.
    A mutation doesn't arise in response to necessity.
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