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  • Evolution happens, and it is random

    65 71.43%
  • Evolution happens and is guided by a higher power

    10 10.99%
  • There is not enough information to know for sure

    7 7.69%
  • No, evolutuon does not happen

    5 5.49%
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    about what? i know/believe the universe as we know it arose from the big bang because there is significant and compelling evidence of this. how or why the big bang occurred, i dont know.

    i dont know in the same way i dont know if the number of people who sneezed between 1950 and 1975 is odd or even. perhaps one day i will know or have justification to believe but until that day it is folly to claim to know or believe one way or another.
    We've already discussed this. There is a difference between knowing and believing. The only way you can possibly KNOW that the universe arose from the big bang is if you had a time machine and traveled back 10-20 billion years.
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    Re: Evolution

    Damn it, we need a time machine.

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Science hasn't explained how life "came to be". If science can't pinpoint how, then why should I care for their suppositions about evolution?
    Because they are different phenomena

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so where did this supposed singularity come from? and radio static is hardly evidence for the existance of a billions year old singularity.
    There are partial models that suggest that absolute nothingness behaves in exactly such a way that singularities appear in it. I don't know much about the notion, but I know it is not an established theory.
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    The reason this happens is that, historically - before we had science to explain things, God was credited with the creation of mankind during the seven days of the creation account. When science started expelling things with naturalistic explanations, it became obvious that all of creation might eventually be explained by naturalistic explanations.
    So how many people do you think take the various versions of deity based creation literally (I am including all the creation stories that are found in the various religions)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    There are still gaps in 'creation' where people of faith can tuck their various God's, but those gaps are getting fewer and smaller.The process of the formation of elements doesn't need a god. The process of the formation of galaxies, stars and planets doesn't need a god. The formation of land and water doesn't need a god. The formation of mankind, plants and animals doesn't need a god.
    I'm curious, what do you think the current theory is on how matter was formed? What supporting evidence is there? I agree that no phenomenon needs a "God" or "Gods" - the explanations for the unknown are a matter of faith or lack of faith in some kind of "spiritual" force that is beyond our understanding

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    If we ever have evidence of a naturalistic explanation of the inception of the universe and an explanation for abiogenesis, the gaps for god to fill in will be insignificant indeed.
    O.K. ; what evidence do we have (I am a little familiar with the hypotheses, but need a refresher)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    People are already tracking the folly of past defaulting to god explanations through simple incredulity. When science has found non god explanations for things, the understanding has led to great practical benefits for mankind. If people had not dared to fill in the gaps with something other than god, those benefits would be a very long time coming, yet.

    If explanations are found, God would be reduced to a sort of interloper coming along despite the formation of the universe and all that it contains happening without him. And serving what purpose exactly? If everything that happens has a naturalistic explanation, he never influences the world at all. What good would he be? God may still exist in such an eventuality, but his existence would be irrelevant.
    While science has yet been able to support evidence of some kind of "spiritual" force, I am wondering whether the lack of ability to scientifically measure such a force precludes the existence of such a force? Is it possible that what people believe to be "spiritual" is in fact an incomprehensible force "embedded"/"a part of" the physical phenomena that we measure scientifically?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    They all instinctively know this. And thus the resistance to science through the ages, and the reason why science and religion will eventually increasingly be in conflict.
    I am wondering what evidence you have that supports the idea that all humans instinctually know there is no "spiritual" force that exists?

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Because they are different phenomena
    Tucker..Your succinct little post (as opposed to my earlier more verbose response to the same post) prompted a line of thought which compels me to revisit this again to substitute the terms to show the flaws in this argument:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Science hasn't explained how life "came to be". If science can't pinpoint how, then why should I care for their suppositions about evolution?
    Science hasn't explained how matter "came to be". If science can't pinpoint how, then why should I care for their suppositions about gravity?

    This is basically the same question, - why should I believe a theory that describes the behavior of something when I do not know how that something came to be?
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    about what? i know/believe the universe as we know it arose from the big bang because there is significant and compelling evidence of this. how or why the big bang occurred, i dont know. .
    bold: and God said, "let there be light"
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Those would be your words, not mine.
    It's a logical extension of what you said. If we can discount one theory because it does not cover something completely different(hint: abiogenisis and evolution are two entirely different things), then we should throw out all science because there are things we still do not know.
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    bold: and God said, "let there be light"
    which god?
    and you believe this because..... your holybook says so?
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    So evolution and evolutionists make absolutely no guesses or theories on hw life and creation came to be? Boy, I'm really getting crossed signals frm those I debated n a different forum.
    Evolution does not address how life came to be in any way. It is not in any way part of the theory. Why is this confusing to you?
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