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  • Evolution happens, and it is random

    65 71.43%
  • Evolution happens and is guided by a higher power

    10 10.99%
  • There is not enough information to know for sure

    7 7.69%
  • No, evolutuon does not happen

    5 5.49%
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Science hasn't explained how life "came to be". If science can't pinpoint how, then why should I care for their suppositions about evolution?
    Or any other supposition either really. Since we don't know how life began, we should stop using all technology.
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Or any other supposition either really. Since we don't know how life began, we should stop using all technology.
    Those would be your words, not mine.

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Science hasn't explained how life "came to be". If science can't pinpoint how, then why should I care for their suppositions about evolution?
    Because evolution is in no way dependent on how life got to be here, it only matters that life is here.

    Let me do a quick search of my post history, I know I have one that would fit here:

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    evolution has zero dependency on how life came about, it just deals with what we have observed of what has happened with life after it was established. Regardless of if it was God, a bolt of lightening in a mud puddle, a hydrothermal vent, or Lisa Simpsons science experiment. It matters not how life gets here from an evolutionary standpoint. It only matters that life IS here.
    hmm go figure it was you I responded to with my earlier post I quoted above as well.
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Because evolution is in no way dependent on how life got to be here, it only matters that life is here.

    Let me do a quick search of my post history, I know I have one that would fit here:



    hmm go figure it was you I responded to with my earlier post I quoted above as well.
    So evolution and evolutionists make absolutely no guesses or theories on hw life and creation came to be? Boy, I'm really getting crossed signals frm those I debated n a different forum.

    I think there are certain adaptions that animals make, but I don't believe that humans came from animals. The "missing link" has never been found.

    I don't believe in evolution because it clashes with my religion.

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    What .. are you saying that science tries to explain how we were evolved? Why yes, of course it does (at least the majority of science does); they go by the evidence given and make the most reasonable explanation for the evidence.

    I never purported that science explains how things began in terms of how initial matter was created. Any theories on this are currently speculation. What is well supported is that once life was created (in is most microscopic form) the wheels were set into motion and natural selection took over, resulting in the organisms we see living on earth today.

    The point of my post was that somehow, these evolution vs. creationism posts inevitably end up in arguments over whether or not a "deity" exists when it need to be that way. Evolution does not rule out the possibility of a "deity" - aka some force that is beyond our understanding - this is all I was saying

    I also mentioned that science never claims to have proven anything as true; instead, hypothesis are made and tested and they either support theories or not; as of now, the theory of evolution is a well supported one

    Does this make sense?
    The reason this happens is that, historically - before we had science to explain things, God was credited with the creation of mankind during the seven days of the creation account. When science started expelling things with naturalistic explanations, it became obvious that all of creation might eventually be explained by naturalistic explanations.

    There are still gaps in 'creation' where people of faith can tuck their various God's, but those gaps are getting fewer and smaller.The process of the formation of elements doesn't need a god. The process of the formation of galaxies, stars and planets doesn't need a god. The formation of land and water doesn't need a god. The formation of mankind, plants and animals doesn't need a god.

    If we ever have evidence of a naturalistic explanation of the inception of the universe and an explanation for abiogenesis, the gaps for god to fill in will be insignificant indeed. People are already tracking the folly of past defaulting to god explanations through simple incredulity. When science has found non god explanations for things, the understanding has led to great practical benefits for mankind. If people had not dared to fill in the gaps with something other than god, those benefits would be a very long time coming, yet.

    If explanations are found, God would be reduced to a sort of interloper coming along despite the formation of the universe and all that it contains happening without him. And serving what purpose exactly? If everything that happens has a naturalistic explanation, he never influences the world at all. What good would he be? God may still exist in such an eventuality, but his existence would be irrelevant.

    They all instinctively know this. And thus the resistance to science through the ages, and the reason why science and religion will eventually increasingly be in conflict.
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    Re: Evolution

    Ambiguous or misleading use of the word "random" in the poll.
    The more appropriate choice is higher power caused, or not-higher-power caused.

    Labeling not-higher-power caused as "random" is rife with issues.

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    So evolution and evolutionists make absolutely no guesses or theories on hw life and creation came to be? Boy, I'm really getting crossed signals frm those I debated n a different forum.

    I think there are certain adaptions that animals make, but I don't believe that humans came from animals. The "missing link" has never been found.

    I don't believe in evolution because it clashes with my religion.
    Science does make guesses, and has some evidence on how life came to be. Imagine for a moment that they discover that one of the guesses is correct. What would that mean?
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Science does make guesses, and has some evidence on how life came to be. Imagine for a moment that they discover that one of the guesses is correct. What would that mean?
    Imagine your surprise if they discover a dragon's fossil.

    If they find hardcore, absolutely concrete evidence, then that is something to be reckoned with.

    There was a quote I once read that was, I think, this: "Science doesn't prove; it probes." I can't remember who said that but it makes me question everything.

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Ambiguous or misleading use of the word "random" in the poll.
    The more appropriate choice is higher power caused, or not-higher-power caused.

    Labeling not-higher-power caused as "random" is rife with issues.
    Try and be precise around here and see where that gets you. Not where you would reasonably expect, I can assure you.
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And their ignorance means what? Can you provide some examples or is this the usual vague claim?
    I think his point was stated by others as well...the irony of people that 'believe' in something they dont really know or understand being critical of others that 'believe' in something they dont really know or understand.

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