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  • Evolution happens, and it is random

    65 71.43%
  • Evolution happens and is guided by a higher power

    10 10.99%
  • There is not enough information to know for sure

    7 7.69%
  • No, evolutuon does not happen

    5 5.49%
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Thread: Evolution

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Yet why do so many people I've talked to who believe in evolution declare that evolution began from abiogenesis---the Big Bang?
    And their ignorance means what? Can you provide some examples or is this the usual vague claim?
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    Re: Evolution

    Check this out (the domestication of the russian silver fox). It's an interesting experiment that shows that evolution does occur:
    The domestication of the russian silver fox. (40 year fast track evolution)

    Overtime, as certain genepools/traits of the foxes were separated in the domestication process, physical changes took place as well including a shortening of the tail, color changes, ect. Really interesting stuff.

    I believe that evolution occurs and that we are likely the descendants of another species (such as apes). As for how life started; I have no freakin' idea. Nor does anyone else. To say with absolute certainty that a higher power didn't create the universe, and that we weren't in a way "created" is just as arrogant as saying with absolute certainty that a higher power did create the universe.

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    Re: Evolution

    Here's a condensed video explaining the process:
    The Silver Fox Experiment - YouTube

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    What exactly is a basic understanding, here?
    The amount of time involved.

    Iirc, evolutionists are still quarreling amongst themselves.
    They don't argue about the fact that evolution is not something you will be able to see at work.


    If the experienced are quarreling, what does that say about us repeaters?
    Nice false dilemma. It doesn't make your request any less pointless, though. In fact, it actually makes it even more pointless.

    I merely ask for examples of evolution supposedly at work.
    And I merely point out that your request indicates a distinct lack of understanding when it comes down to evolution.

    If no examples can be given, then it makes me wonder.
    Wonder what, exactly? If you had any basic understanding of that which you seek to question the validity of, you'd realize why your pointless request cannot be granted. But instead of gaining a basic understanding (which would entail actually learning about the subject instead of asking pointless questions) you just ask pointless questions.

    Until such time as you have at least a rudimentary understanding of the theory you wish to argue against, you are not competent enough to argue against it.

    A belief is nothing but a belief. There is no absoluteness. Saying I believe in "this" is no more relevant than saying I believe in "that".
    Not all beliefs are equal.

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    Re: Evolution

    AN example of the quarrel among evolutionary scientists(might be slightly old): Does evolution happen smoothly, or are there periods of equilibrium punctuated by rapid changes? Note that both assume that evolution does happen, they just differ slightly one small aspect.
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    AN example of the quarrel among evolutionary scientists(might be slightly old): Does evolution happen smoothly, or are there periods of equilibrium punctuated by rapid changes? Note that both assume that evolution does happen, they just differ slightly one small aspect.
    It should be noted that "rapid changes" is a relative term. It doesn't mean within the span of a single human life, but over the course of a scant few thousand years instead of 10's or hundreds of thousands.

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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It should be noted that "rapid changes" is a relative term. It doesn't mean within the span of a single human life, but over the course of a scant few thousand years instead of 10's or hundreds of thousands.
    Yeah, rapid on an evolutionary scale is still a long time.
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Your definition of directed is suspect. Direction implies a consciousness which is doing the directing, especially in the context of this thread (see the Poll and a dictionary definition of 'directed').
    Why must direction imply consciousness? Water currents are directed by the shape and flow of a river the same way that a temporary dam directs water away from a construction site. Is that consciousness?

    It has already been explained many times that the randomness people should be considering should be limited to the randomness of gene mutation.
    But that itself is not evolution. Mutations in pure isolation are frankly irrelevant.

    Riverdad is not contradicting himself. He is being careful not to imply the consciousness that is indicated in the OP, while still accounting for the effect of the environment on the genes that flourish.
    Incorrect. Riverdad is highly contradicting himself by saying that evolution is random at the same time as arguing that there is a clear and obvious influence that is causing the selection for and against genes that is in no way random. On one hand he claims random then on the other he says it's not.

    Semantic games are stupid and it is rich that the one playing them calls others 'stupid'.
    It is stupid when Riverdad claims it's all random and then claims it's not.
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The concept that you're scratching around for is responsive. Not directed.
    Do you believe that water flows based on the features of a river or obstacle is not directed? How is that different from water flowing on the features of a temporary dam? It's the same thing.

    You are still wrong in your asinine claim it's random but directed by nature.
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    Re: Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    AN example of the quarrel among evolutionary scientists(might be slightly old): Does evolution happen smoothly, or are there periods of equilibrium punctuated by rapid changes? Note that both assume that evolution does happen, they just differ slightly one small aspect.
    Um, very, very, very old and a very minor topic. Gould has a bigger public presence than he did a professional reputation.

    Check out PubMed for how much his ideas really mattered:

    "punctuated equilibria" = 36 hits
    Spandrel = 9 hits

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