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Can Bachman or Perry beat Obama

Can Bachman and Perry beat Obama in 2012

  • Bachman Can Beat Obama

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Perry can Beat obama

    Votes: 19 40.4%

  • Neither of them can beat Obama

    Votes: 27 57.4%
  • Total voters
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If Obama continues do the wrong thing and not learn from his mistakes and keep going down in the polls a dead hamster could beat Obama.
 
Crosscheck said:
Seriously, how much experience is needed?

If the opponent has little political experience one capitalizes on it, if the opponent has too much political experience one capitalizes on it referring them to having spent too much time in Washington.

The voters become like Goldilocks looking for that perfect feeling bed. Then to make it even harder to differentiate between the candidate you have to realize they will say anything to get your vote.
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There's no such thing as "too much experience" in my book.

The phrase "career politician" gets thrown around a lot, and I don't get its negative connotation. People who serve office that long tend to be a) good at their jobs, b) loved by their constituants, and c) aware of the intricacies involved in serving office. How is this bad?

People don't run for office for the money. The overwhelming vast majority of elected officials, most of which have law degrees it seems, would be much better off financially if they worked in the private sector.

So yeah, give me the 7-term Senator every day of the week.
 
Bachman does not stand a chance against Obama. Perry doesn't stand much of a chance either. The economy in Texas he promotes so much is a little better than the average state right now, but I believe its unemployment rate is higher than all of its neighboring states. So on closer scrutiny, its not going to sell that well. Moreover, most of the jobs created there are lower paying jobs and are more due to population growth and oil than anything else. My wife is from Texas, there is some money there in the big cities like Dallas, Austin, and Houston, but much of the state is very, very poor. Get outside of the major metro's and most of the state looks just as poor as the Mississippi delta. His problem is that he has made so many "Bachman-esqe" loony statements and positions in the past that he is a walking negative ad.

That said, given the state of the economy, I think that winning the presidency would be a cakewalk for Romney should he get the nomination (and he probably will). There is some talk that Paul Ryan may jump into the race, and assuming he was a good fundraiser, I think he could win as well. Chris Christie could win if he was not so morbidly obese (we don't elect extremely fat presidents in this country - or at least haven't in the last 100 years or so). Huntsman would have strong appeal among independents and moderates, but I don't think he has much of a chance with the Republican base.
 
I'm not sure about that. I've noticed a major demographic shift in Republicans, mostly to a state that puts them on the fringe of moderate/independent. Let's face it - the Bible Belt will vote Republican no matter what. Bunch of confused elders down here that just look at the R and the D when they put down the check. It's usually capturing the moderates that decides it. It's always been that way for the Democrats (minus Obama), but it's about to be that way for the GOP as well. Clinton was a moderate, and at the time Gore was too. If they had been far left, Clinton would've lost the plurality vote IMO.
 
I think it's funny that many are saying Perry is "too rightwing" to win the election yet ignore the fact that Obama was one of the most liberal Senators :ssst: Obama's approval ratings are falling, the economy is still in the dumps, and almost everything Obama tried to do to fix things failed miserably and only hurt the country in the long run (the healthcare bill, the stimulus).
 
I don't like either one of them. Bachman is smart, but she and Perry with that old-time religion don't get it for me. I like Romney, but he's got to keep his religion under wraps.
 
digsbe said:
I think it's funny that many are saying Perry is "too rightwing" to win the election yet ignore the fact that Obama was one of the most liberal Senators :ssst: Obama's approval ratings are falling, the economy is still in the dumps, and almost everything Obama tried to do to fix things failed miserably and only hurt the country in the long run (the healthcare bill, the stimulus).
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The only people that care about voting records are hardcore partisans to begin with. What matters to the majority of the voters that are actually up for grabs in a national election is tone and demeanor. Obama may have had one of the most liberal voting records, but he was very measured and moderate in his rhetoric. Even the conservative icon Ronald Reagan was quite measured in his rhetoric. Goldwater and Reagan were fairly close to each other in terms of their ideology. In terms of their public demeanor and rhetoric, they could not have been further apart. This resulted in Reagan winning by a landslide and Goldwater losing by a landslide. Fiery and extremist rhetoric may rally the absolute core base of a party, but it scares the hell out of moderates and independents. The problem with Bachmann and Perry is not so much their conservative ideology (however, on social issues that is a problem), its the loony things both of them have said and continue to say publicly.
 
Still way to early to tell. I'd give Obama a slight lead over Perry and I believe that race would fall along the lines of who runs their campaign better and has a better get out the vote initiative, campaigns in the right states etc. but I think with Bachman the only way Obama could lose is if we started massive rounds of layoffs across the country all over again or something similar to that. Even though the economy is anemic right now, it's not losing any blood, so a very well spoken and kind of straight forward campaigner like Perry might have a decent chance but Bachman would need a miracle.
 
Gipper said:
We need to establish a sarcasm font.

I think Perry stands a great chance of beating Obama. The proof is that Texas is one of the least hurt states in the nation with these policies. From an executive standpoint, his track record is showing that he's done a great job.
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You are right, we do need a sarcasm font. How about this:

"The proof is that Texas is one of the least hurt states in the nation with these policies. From an executive standpoint, his track record is showing that he's done a great job." :roll:

Texas has the highest number of people without health insurance, has one of the highest poverty rates, is one of the most polluting states, and puts more people to death than any other state.

Yeah, I wants me some of that! LOL! :roll:
 
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Yet another poll question by a person who leaves out of the choices the only obvious answer. I hope you guys eventually learn to write a poll question correctly.
 
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Catawba said:
standpoint, his track record is showing that he's done a great job."[/FONT] :roll:

Texas has the highest number of people without health insurance, has one of the highest poverty rates, is one of the most polluting states, and puts more people to death than any other state.

Yeah, I wants me some of that! LOL :roll:
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There are people who definitely deserve the death penalty as there is no worth in keeping them alive.

Unfortunately Texas has killed far too many innocent people. They have totally abused that judical system. This results in costly lawsuits against the state while the real criminal is allowed to commit crime after crime. Yes, lets hear him brag about that.
 
if the election was held today, Obama would beat them both.

Neither Bachmann nor Perry have enough ammo to beat Obama. They need him to make a MAJOR slip up or they need to have a major success.

but right now, things being as they are, Obama would pounce them both.
 
Catawba said:
Texas has the highest number of people without health insurance, has one of the highest poverty rates, is one of the most polluting states, and puts more people to death than any other state.
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And these figures are per capita? I'd like to see your source.

Besides, 3 of the 4 things you just listed are politicking at its finest. It's of no real concern. Whether someone else is insured or not is not my fault, nor is it my concern. What Texas does to its criminals is even less of my concern.

Wish these points were the worst that any state had to deal with. We'd be in great shape.
 
I think it goes something like this.

  • The economy improves even slightly before elections: Obama beats Romney, Perry or Bachmann
  • The economy stays the same- meaning no growth between now and election. Even lackluster growth means we are in the first bucket not this one: Romney beats Obama, Obama beats Perry and Bachmann
  • The economy goes into the second dip of a recession as bad as the last one: Obama beats Bachmann, but loses if it is Perry or Romney
  • Satan himself rises from hell stalking from town to town eating all the children and photographs are released by the whitehouse confirming that he rose as a direct result of Satanic rituals Obama presided over in the oval office and Obama focuses the remainder of his campaign on a pro-Satan-eating-children message: Obama still beats Bachmann, but loses if it is Perry or Romney
 
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Gipper said:
And these figures are per capita? I'd like to see your source.

Besides, 3 of the 4 things you just listed are politicking at its finest. It's of no real concern. Whether someone else is insured or not is not my fault, nor is it my concern. What Texas does to its criminals is even less of my concern.

Wish these points were the worst that any state had to deal with. We'd be in great shape.
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A lot of people might take exception to the piss-poor shape Texas education is in. Poor education may fare well with the rightwing voters, as it is usually something they can relate too, but moderates and independants want more for their children.

This election is the GOP's to lose. It seems they are right on course in doing exactly that. Perry and Bachmann. Too funny. They would be better off running Willie for Prez.
 
teamosil said:
I think it goes something like this.

  • The economy improves even slightly before elections: Obama beats Romney, Perry or Bachmann
  • The economy stays the same- meaning no growth between now and election. Even lackluster growth means we are in the first bucket not this one: Romney beats Obama, Obama beats Perry and Bachmann
  • The economy goes into the second dip of a recession as bad as the last one: Obama beats Bachmann, but loses if it is Perry or Romney
  • Satan himself rises from hell stalking from town to town eating all the children and photographs are released by the whitehouse confirming that he rose as a direct result of Satanic rituals Obama presided over in the oval office and Obama focuses the remainder of his campaign on a pro-Satan-eating-children message: Obama still beats Bachmann, but loses if it is Perry or Romney
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Are you trying to hint at something?
 
I obviously don't know how the economy is going to go over the next year and a half, but right now I just don't see Perry or Bachmann winning a general election. They just won't attract enough independents to put them ahead of Obama.
 
Gipper said:
What Texas does to its criminals is even less of my concern.
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What it does with their criminals is not my concern either, my concern is what they do to an innocent man.

For each innocent man put behind bars there is a criminal who got away scot-free who can go rape and kill again.

Having the highest execution rate is only helpful if you got the right guy. Texas hasn't learn that yet.
 
Gipper said:
And these figures are per capita? I'd like to see your source.

Besides, 3 of the 4 things you just listed are politicking at its finest. It's of no real concern. Whether someone else is insured or not is not my fault, nor is it my concern. What Texas does to its criminals is even less of my concern.

Wish these points were the worst that any state had to deal with. We'd be in great shape.
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Why Texas has the highest percentage of uninsured people in the U.S.

The Poorest States of America

Pollution prevention and public health: Why isn't the TCEQ doing its job?

Why is Texas #1 in Executions?

Texas: lowest high school graduation rate (78.3 percent)

Which do you consider not important, health care, poverty, health effects from pollution, the nations highest execution rate, and the new one I found and added, the highest number of HS dropouts?

This is what you expect the rest of the nation to approve of and want for the rest of the country???

Thanks, but no thanks! :sun
 
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Captain America said:
A lot of people might take exception to the piss-poor shape Texas education is in. Poor education may fare well with the rightwing voters, as it is usually something they can relate too, but moderates and independants want more for their children.
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You're from Wisconsin, so let's compare Texas to Wisconsin on educational outcomes:

2009 4th Grade Math

White students: Texas 254, Wisconsin 250 (national average 248)
Black students: Texas 231, Wisconsin 217 (national 222)
Hispanic students: Texas 233, Wisconsin 228 (national 227)

2009 8th Grade Math

White students: Texas 301, Wisconsin 294 (national 294)
Black students: Texas 272, Wisconsin 254 (national 260)
Hispanic students: Texas 277, Wisconsin 268 (national 260)

2009 4th Grade Reading

White students: Texas 232, Wisconsin 227 (national 229)
Black students: Texas 213, Wisconsin 192 (national 204)
Hispanic students: Texas 210, Wisconsin 202 (national 204)

2009 8th Grade Reading

White students: Texas 273, Wisconsin 271 (national 271)
Black students: Texas 249, Wisconsin 238 (national 245)
Hispanic students: Texas 251, Wisconsin 250 (national 248)

2009 4th Grade Science

White students: Texas 168, Wisconsin 164 (national 162)
Black students: Texas 139, Wisconsin 121 (national 127)
Hispanic students: Wisconsin 138, Texas 136 (national 130)

2009 8th Grade Science

White students: Texas 167, Wisconsin 165 (national 161)
Black students: Texas 133, Wisconsin 120 (national 125)
Hispanic students: Texas 141, Wisconsin 134 (national 131)

On every single metric, Texas outperforms the nation. On every single metric but one, Hispanic student 4th grade science education, Texas outperforms Wisconsin.

You wouldn't happen to be a Wisconsin unionized teacher would you? Making bold-faced assertions that directly contravene the evidence is something that teachers are known to do.
 
RiverDad said:
You're from Wisconsin, so let's compare Texas to Wisconsin on educational outcomes:

2009 4th Grade Math

White students: Texas 254, Wisconsin 250 (national average 248)
Black students: Texas 231, Wisconsin 217 (national 222)
Hispanic students: Texas 233, Wisconsin 228 (national 227)

2009 8th Grade Math

White students: Texas 301, Wisconsin 294 (national 294)
Black students: Texas 272, Wisconsin 254 (national 260)
Hispanic students: Texas 277, Wisconsin 268 (national 260)

2009 4th Grade Reading

White students: Texas 232, Wisconsin 227 (national 229)
Black students: Texas 213, Wisconsin 192 (national 204)
Hispanic students: Texas 210, Wisconsin 202 (national 204)

2009 8th Grade Reading

White students: Texas 273, Wisconsin 271 (national 271)
Black students: Texas 249, Wisconsin 238 (national 245)
Hispanic students: Texas 251, Wisconsin 250 (national 248)

2009 4th Grade Science

White students: Texas 168, Wisconsin 164 (national 162)
Black students: Texas 139, Wisconsin 121 (national 127)
Hispanic students: Wisconsin 138, Texas 136 (national 130)

2009 8th Grade Science

White students: Texas 167, Wisconsin 165 (national 161)
Black students: Texas 133, Wisconsin 120 (national 125)
Hispanic students: Texas 141, Wisconsin 134 (national 131)

On every single metric, Texas outperforms the nation. On every single metric but one, Hispanic student 4th grade science education, Texas outperforms Wisconsin.

You wouldn't happen to be a Wisconsin unionized teacher would you? Making bold-faced assertions that directly contravene the evidence is something that teachers are known to do.
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I notice your results are only shown up to the eight grade. Not too surprising since Texas has the largest percentage in the country of students that do not finish high school.
 
Perry can beat Obama if he can learn to hold his tongue.

Bachmann doesn't have the ability to hold her tongue, so once the crazy comes out she's toast.
 
Catawba said:
I notice your results are only shown up to the eight grade. Not too surprising since Texas has the largest percentage in the country of students that do not finish high school.
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Why do liberals persist in living in their own bubble reality? I just don't get it. What's it like living in that bubble? Is it like Islamic paradise where Lord Obama gives you all 72 virgins, or what? Is the real world so scary for you guys that you constantly run to the world of make-believe?

National Drop out Statistics:

National White Drop-Out Rate: 3.0%
Wisconsin White Drop-Out Rate: 1.3%
Texas White Drop-Out Rate: 1.9%

National Black Drop-Out Rate: 6.8%
Wisconsin Black Drop-Out Rate: 7.8%
Texas Black Drop-Out Rate: 5.8%

National Hispanic Drop-Out Rate: 6.5%
Wisconsin Hispanic Drop-Out Rate: 5.2%
Texas Hispanic Drop-Out Rate: 5.6%

Texas outperforms the nation in all instances and basically mirrors Wisconsin's drop-out rate except for Wisconsin's glaring trouble with its African-American students, who have a drop-out rate that is higher than the national mean.
 
lpast said:
Do you think Bachman or Perry can beat Obama if either win the primary
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Bachmann? Not a chance in hell. Perry? Maybe, but I really hope not. And I don't even like Obama.
 
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