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    Re: Can Bachman or Perry beat Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    And these figures are per capita? I'd like to see your source.

    Besides, 3 of the 4 things you just listed are politicking at its finest. It's of no real concern. Whether someone else is insured or not is not my fault, nor is it my concern. What Texas does to its criminals is even less of my concern.

    Wish these points were the worst that any state had to deal with. We'd be in great shape.
    A lot of people might take exception to the piss-poor shape Texas education is in. Poor education may fare well with the rightwing voters, as it is usually something they can relate too, but moderates and independants want more for their children.

    This election is the GOP's to lose. It seems they are right on course in doing exactly that. Perry and Bachmann. Too funny. They would be better off running Willie for Prez.

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    Re: Can Bachman or Perry beat Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I think it goes something like this.

    • The economy improves even slightly before elections: Obama beats Romney, Perry or Bachmann
    • The economy stays the same- meaning no growth between now and election. Even lackluster growth means we are in the first bucket not this one: Romney beats Obama, Obama beats Perry and Bachmann
    • The economy goes into the second dip of a recession as bad as the last one: Obama beats Bachmann, but loses if it is Perry or Romney
    • Satan himself rises from hell stalking from town to town eating all the children and photographs are released by the whitehouse confirming that he rose as a direct result of Satanic rituals Obama presided over in the oval office and Obama focuses the remainder of his campaign on a pro-Satan-eating-children message: Obama still beats Bachmann, but loses if it is Perry or Romney
    Are you trying to hint at something?

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    Re: Can Bachman or Perry beat Obama

    I obviously don't know how the economy is going to go over the next year and a half, but right now I just don't see Perry or Bachmann winning a general election. They just won't attract enough independents to put them ahead of Obama.
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    Re: Can Bachman or Perry beat Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    What Texas does to its criminals is even less of my concern.

    What it does with their criminals is not my concern either, my concern is what they do to an innocent man.

    For each innocent man put behind bars there is a criminal who got away scot-free who can go rape and kill again.

    Having the highest execution rate is only helpful if you got the right guy. Texas hasn't learn that yet.

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    Re: Can Bachman or Perry beat Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    And these figures are per capita? I'd like to see your source.

    Besides, 3 of the 4 things you just listed are politicking at its finest. It's of no real concern. Whether someone else is insured or not is not my fault, nor is it my concern. What Texas does to its criminals is even less of my concern.

    Wish these points were the worst that any state had to deal with. We'd be in great shape.
    Why Texas has the highest percentage of uninsured people in the U.S.

    The Poorest States of America

    Pollution prevention and public health: Why isn't the TCEQ doing its job?

    Why is Texas #1 in Executions?

    Texas: lowest high school graduation rate (78.3 percent)

    Which do you consider not important, health care, poverty, health effects from pollution, the nations highest execution rate, and the new one I found and added, the highest number of HS dropouts?

    This is what you expect the rest of the nation to approve of and want for the rest of the country???

    Thanks, but no thanks!
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    Re: Can Bachman or Perry beat Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    A lot of people might take exception to the piss-poor shape Texas education is in. Poor education may fare well with the rightwing voters, as it is usually something they can relate too, but moderates and independants want more for their children.

    You're from Wisconsin, so let's compare Texas to Wisconsin on educational outcomes:

    2009 4th Grade Math

    White students: Texas 254, Wisconsin 250 (national average 248)
    Black students: Texas 231, Wisconsin 217 (national 222)
    Hispanic students: Texas 233, Wisconsin 228 (national 227)

    2009 8th Grade Math

    White students: Texas 301, Wisconsin 294 (national 294)
    Black students: Texas 272, Wisconsin 254 (national 260)
    Hispanic students: Texas 277, Wisconsin 268 (national 260)

    2009 4th Grade Reading

    White students: Texas 232, Wisconsin 227 (national 229)
    Black students: Texas 213, Wisconsin 192 (national 204)
    Hispanic students: Texas 210, Wisconsin 202 (national 204)

    2009 8th Grade Reading

    White students: Texas 273, Wisconsin 271 (national 271)
    Black students: Texas 249, Wisconsin 238 (national 245)
    Hispanic students: Texas 251, Wisconsin 250 (national 248)

    2009 4th Grade Science

    White students: Texas 168, Wisconsin 164 (national 162)
    Black students: Texas 139, Wisconsin 121 (national 127)
    Hispanic students: Wisconsin 138, Texas 136 (national 130)

    2009 8th Grade Science

    White students: Texas 167, Wisconsin 165 (national 161)
    Black students: Texas 133, Wisconsin 120 (national 125)
    Hispanic students: Texas 141, Wisconsin 134 (national 131)

    On every single metric, Texas outperforms the nation. On every single metric but one, Hispanic student 4th grade science education, Texas outperforms Wisconsin.

    You wouldn't happen to be a Wisconsin unionized teacher would you? Making bold-faced assertions that directly contravene the evidence is something that teachers are known to do.

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    Re: Can Bachman or Perry beat Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    You're from Wisconsin, so let's compare Texas to Wisconsin on educational outcomes:

    2009 4th Grade Math

    White students: Texas 254, Wisconsin 250 (national average 248)
    Black students: Texas 231, Wisconsin 217 (national 222)
    Hispanic students: Texas 233, Wisconsin 228 (national 227)

    2009 8th Grade Math

    White students: Texas 301, Wisconsin 294 (national 294)
    Black students: Texas 272, Wisconsin 254 (national 260)
    Hispanic students: Texas 277, Wisconsin 268 (national 260)

    2009 4th Grade Reading

    White students: Texas 232, Wisconsin 227 (national 229)
    Black students: Texas 213, Wisconsin 192 (national 204)
    Hispanic students: Texas 210, Wisconsin 202 (national 204)

    2009 8th Grade Reading

    White students: Texas 273, Wisconsin 271 (national 271)
    Black students: Texas 249, Wisconsin 238 (national 245)
    Hispanic students: Texas 251, Wisconsin 250 (national 248)

    2009 4th Grade Science

    White students: Texas 168, Wisconsin 164 (national 162)
    Black students: Texas 139, Wisconsin 121 (national 127)
    Hispanic students: Wisconsin 138, Texas 136 (national 130)

    2009 8th Grade Science

    White students: Texas 167, Wisconsin 165 (national 161)
    Black students: Texas 133, Wisconsin 120 (national 125)
    Hispanic students: Texas 141, Wisconsin 134 (national 131)

    On every single metric, Texas outperforms the nation. On every single metric but one, Hispanic student 4th grade science education, Texas outperforms Wisconsin.

    You wouldn't happen to be a Wisconsin unionized teacher would you? Making bold-faced assertions that directly contravene the evidence is something that teachers are known to do.
    I notice your results are only shown up to the eight grade. Not too surprising since Texas has the largest percentage in the country of students that do not finish high school.
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    Re: Can Bachman or Perry beat Obama

    Perry can beat Obama if he can learn to hold his tongue.

    Bachmann doesn't have the ability to hold her tongue, so once the crazy comes out she's toast.


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    Re: Can Bachman or Perry beat Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I notice your results are only shown up to the eight grade. Not too surprising since Texas has the largest percentage in the country of students that do not finish high school.
    Why do liberals persist in living in their own bubble reality? I just don't get it. What's it like living in that bubble? Is it like Islamic paradise where Lord Obama gives you all 72 virgins, or what? Is the real world so scary for you guys that you constantly run to the world of make-believe?

    National Drop out Statistics
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    National White Drop-Out Rate: 3.0%
    Wisconsin White Drop-Out Rate: 1.3%
    Texas White Drop-Out Rate: 1.9%

    National Black Drop-Out Rate: 6.8%
    Wisconsin Black Drop-Out Rate: 7.8%
    Texas Black Drop-Out Rate: 5.8%

    National Hispanic Drop-Out Rate: 6.5%
    Wisconsin Hispanic Drop-Out Rate: 5.2%
    Texas Hispanic Drop-Out Rate: 5.6%

    Texas outperforms the nation in all instances and basically mirrors Wisconsin's drop-out rate except for Wisconsin's glaring trouble with its African-American students, who have a drop-out rate that is higher than the national mean.

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    Re: Can Bachman or Perry beat Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Do you think Bachman or Perry can beat Obama if either win the primary
    Bachmann? Not a chance in hell. Perry? Maybe, but I really hope not. And I don't even like Obama.

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