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Are you smarter than The Obama?

Are you smarter than The Obama?

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theplaydrive said:
I think I've already said that's my position. Is it your position that no white man in the history of Harvard Law has entered with a gpa of 3.3 or below? (If yes, please cite your source. Also, I'm still waiting for testimonies from the dept. of admissions.)


What you say has no effect on my opinion. I think you have a problem with a black man in office. Some Republicans just have issues with his policies, others have issues with his race and his policies - I think you fall into the latter category.
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I think you want to claim my position is based on race because its easier for you to spew that than deal with the fact that hundreds of white males (I mistakenly said black males rather than white males in my last post) were turned down with far higher grades than what Obama had. anyone who pretends that race was not the major or a major factor for Obama being accepted at Harvard is either intentionally ignorant or is dishonest
 
TurtleDude said:
I am sure that there are some people who don't like a black being in office but I am sure that was more than balanced out by people who voted for Obama merely because he is black

and to claim opposition to him has as a major factor, his skin color is without much merit. furthermore many of those who oppose Obama support Herman Caine or love
quoting Dr Walter Williams. You seem to think that if he was white, people like me who despise welfare socialism and expanding government would embrace this man.

what many people reject are the specious claims that Obama is the brightest president to every occupy the Oval office when there are people who had stronger academic records (Bush I was in the top three of his class at Yale, Nixon at Duke Law, and Clinton a Rhodes Scholar) or far greater accomplishments in their lives before they became President (Bush I again comes to mind)
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May I point out this is a perfect example of college not having much value in terms of leading a country. Bush was in the top 3 of his class at yale, and what value did that add to his ability to govern America? I believe we are currently in an economic disaster thanks to the Bush family, am I wrong?


The president is surrounded by advisors. These are the people that should be in the top 3 of their class and know the insides and outs of their specialty field. The Presidents success is based on negotiation, influence, problem solving, and a general knowledge of his/her desired direction to lead America.
 
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TurtleDude said:
I think you want to claim my position is based on race because its easier for you to spew that than deal with the fact that hundreds of white males (I mistakenly said black males rather than white males in my last post) were turned down with far higher grades than what Obama had. anyone who pretends that race was not the major or a major factor for Obama being accepted at Harvard is either intentionally ignorant or is dishonest
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I answered your question. You didn't answer mine: Is it your position that no white man in the history of Harvard Law has entered with a gpa of 3.3 or below?
 
TurtleDude said:
true. but we also can safely say but for him being black he'd never been accepted into Harvard Law. but you don't graduate MCL from HLS if you are stupid.
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we can also safely say that a white guy with his credentials would've been crushed by Hillary Clinton.
 
liblady said:
wtf is wrong with trade school?
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nothing at all-it was a comment to someone who pretends he is some sort of hero for going into the military to learn a trade. in fact trade school is a better choice than millions who go to college to major in fornication or public drunkenness and end up with degrees that cannot gain them a useful career. The guys who work on my car do pretty damn well as does the HVAC techs I know
 
OscarB63 said:
we can also safely say that a white guy with his credentials would've been crushed by Hillary Clinton.
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a white guy with his credentials never would have been a senator let alone a presidential nominee
 
Thunder said:
nothing at all.

clearly, many folks who only went to trade school are much more useful to society than folks who went on to higher education.
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my son, who scored a 35 on the ACT, decided to go to trade school instead of college. he makes $60/hr doing HVAC automation for US Embassies in Africa and the ME.
 
TurtleDude said:
nothing at all-it was a comment to someone who pretends he is some sort of hero for going into the military to learn a trade. in fact trade school is a better choice than millions who go to college to major in fornication or public drunkenness and end up with degrees that cannot gain them a useful career. The guys who work on my car do pretty damn well as does the HVAC techs I know
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do you have actual friends from every walk of life? i mean people you hang with, go to dinner with, etc?
 
theplaydrive said:
I answered your question. You didn't answer mine: Is it your position that no white man in the history of Harvard Law has entered with a gpa of 3.3 or below?
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the odds of a white male with lower than a GPA being admitted the year Obama applied was so low that his race clearly was a factor. When I applied for law school the top schools had a grid. the top grid had GPAs 3.9 or higher and an LSAT score 775/800 or higher

that was the only grid where you had a decent chance of getting admitted.

the next was 3.75 and 750, etc

in those squares that moved back either on the GPA or the LSAT you had a less than 40% chance of admission

but when you got down to 3.5 and say 650 you saw a bunch of admissions-those all were minorities.

the year obama applied there were no white males with that low a score based on what those who were there with him have told me. and the years I was in law school over a thousand white males who were turned down at the major law schools scored higher than the top scoring candidate

a man a couple years behind me at Yale earned Junior Phi Beta Kappa at Yale. He was sadly killed in a wreck his senior year at Yale after earning a Rhodes scholarship. his sat scores beat Bill clinton's then record in Arkansas. his name was Roosevelt Thompson

He was killed my last year in law school and many thought he would be the first black president. and while I was not at the memorial for him at Yale plenty of my friends who were still there were and many of the comments were directed at the fact that RT had proved that you didn't need affirmative action to achieve.

He also was accepted in the Yale law school and had perhaps the strongest academic record of the applicants that year
Roosevelt Levander Thompson (1962
 
liblady said:
do you have actual friends from every walk of life? i mean people you hang with, go to dinner with, etc?
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my main hobbies include the shooting sports. most of the guys i shoot with are often blue collar tradesmen. ONe of my closest friends went to the USAF after HS and is a radio tech for a state government unit. True, some of my best friends are the lawyers and doctors at the club where I play tennis but just as many are ex military guys without degrees. the guy who was at the tennis tournament with us last night is a cook at a fast food deli but he loves tennis and we've been friends since I met him at the TGIF where my former girlfriend was a manager and he was a cook-a trade he learned in the military.

In fact when I first invited him to this tennis tournament (where we have a top box), I told my late father that this fellow was going to meet us at the tournament. so we are walking past the reserved parking with all the mercedes, bmws, and cadillacs and there is this POS beat up toyota truck. My father noted a guy like that must really love tennis and obviously wasn't there to be seen (like more than a few yuppies are). Yeah it was my friend the cook's POS truck
 
TurtleDude said:
the odds of a white male with lower than a GPA being admitted the year Obama applied was so low that his race clearly was a factor. When I applied for law school the top schools had a grid. the top grid had GPAs 3.9 or higher and an LSAT score 775/800 or higher

that was the only grid where you had a decent chance of getting admitted.

the next was 3.75 and 750, etc

in those squares that moved back either on the GPA or the LSAT you had a less than 40% chance of admission

but when you got down to 3.5 and say 650 you saw a bunch of admissions-those all were minorities.

the year obama applied there were no white males with that low a score based on what those who were there with him have told me. and the years I was in law school over a thousand white males who were turned down at the major law schools scored higher than the top scoring candidate

a man a couple years behind me at Yale earned Junior Phi Beta Kappa at Yale. He was sadly killed in a wreck his senior year at Yale after earning a Rhodes scholarship. his sat scores beat Bill clinton's then record in Arkansas. his name was Roosevelt Thompson

He was killed my last year in law school and many thought he would be the first black president. and while I was not at the memorial for him at Yale plenty of my friends who were still there were and many of the comments were directed at the fact that RT had proved that you didn't need affirmative action to achieve.

He also was accepted in the Yale law school and had perhaps the strongest academic record of the applicants that year
Roosevelt Levander Thompson (1962
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Great. I didn't ask for a verbose analysis of gpa and LSAT scores. I asked you a question: Is it your position that no white man has ever entered Harvard Law with a gpa of 3.3 or below?
 
Oh look, a thread about Obama devolves into race. How unusual...
 
TurtleDude said:
my main hobbies include the shooting sports. most of the guys i shoot with are often blue collar tradesmen. ONe of my closest friends went to the USAF after HS and is a radio tech for a state government unit. True, some of my best friends are the lawyers and doctors at the club where I play tennis but just as many are ex military guys without degrees. the guy who was at the tennis tournament with us last night is a cook at a fast food deli but he loves tennis and we've been friends since I met him at the TGIF where my former girlfriend was a manager and he was a cook-a trade he learned in the military.

In fact when I first invited him to this tennis tournament (where we have a top box), I told my late father that this fellow was going to meet us at the tournament. so we are walking past the reserved parking with all the mercedes, bmws, and cadillacs and there is this POS beat up toyota truck. My father noted a guy like that must really love tennis and obviously wasn't there to be seen (like more than a few yuppies are). Yeah it was my friend the cook's POS truck
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cool. peel away the layers, you never know what you're gonna get.
 
Redress said:
Oh look, a thread about Obama devolves into race. How unusual...
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can't be helped. If you say you are smarter than the Obama, someone is sure to squeal "racist" and claim you only think you are smarter because he is black :shrug:
 
OscarB63 said:
can't be helped. If you say you are smarter than the Obama, someone is sure to squeal "racist" and claim you only think you are smarter because he is black :shrug:
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Of course, it's every one else's fault.
 
theplaydrive said:
Great. I didn't ask for a verbose analysis of gpa and LSAT scores. I asked you a question: Is it your position that no white man has ever entered Harvard Law with a gpa of 3.3 or below?
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that isn't relevant. grading scales a hundred years ago may well have been much lower

the only issue involves whether Obama's scores in the pool he applied with were sufficient for a white male. the answer is a resounding NO
 
TurtleDude said:
well there we have it. If EarlzP thinks Obama is one of the smartest people Earl Has met that is conclusive proof of what?

I suggest it means EzP has a very limited universe of smart people but hey, it most likely is an honest comment. For someone like me, who had the ranking student at Yale as one suitemate (Rhodes scholar, president of phi beta kappa) and another guy who went on to be a supreme court clerk and a top supreme court advocate and a third guy who was an international chess master, I guess my standards are a little higher. And I doubt EzP really knows Obama all that well
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Your right my IQ is not very high, but I was smart enough to know it early enough to achieve more them most people ever do, I know that an IQ only measures potential and nothing more, so just for arguments sake lets say that your IQ is 130 and you use 50% of it your IQ usage is 65, lets say that my IQ is 100 but I use 90% of it my usage is 90.

It's seems obvious to me that you think you know it all, I know I don't. I never made it pass the 9th grade but ended up in management in a large international company. Knowing that I lacked the ability to recall information I found a way to work around it, I never had a listening problem, If I wanted to be a chess master I would find the best players to learn from, Those who worked with "me" whether at a higher level of management or at a job that I supervised liked working "with" me" .

You don't impress me, you seem to be one of those "me me me" people you have no idea that it takes all of us working towards a common goal for the common good to achieve the best possible outcome for "all". You appear to think that your blood is a different color and more valuable then mine or some other non Ivy League individual.

The way that President Obama has attempted to work across the aisle, takes his time to collect the best information that he can before making a decision indicates to me that he is intelligent, that he is not intimidated by others that may have more knowledge then he has. President Obama has to learn when and where to draw the line, he needs to become tougher less willing to compromise his visions maybe by 2012 when the dems take the majority back in both houses and he is re-elected to a second term

A smart person recognizes their weakness and knows how to turn that weakness into strength. Listening to you leads me to believe that you already know every thing there is to know, I know a man with an IQ in the 140's he has spent the last ten years in his basement he knows every thing just ask him
 
TurtleDude said:
that isn't relevant. grading scales a hundred years ago may well have been much lower

the only issue involves whether Obama's scores in the pool he applied with were sufficient for a white male. the answer is a resounding NO
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Okay, so I'll take that as a "yes, a white man has probably entered Harvard Law with a gpa lower than 3.3". That's all I need to no. Have a nice day being upset that a black guy's the president and telling people your credentials left and right to make yourself feel better!
 
OscarB63 said:
can't be helped. If you say you are smarter than the Obama, someone is sure to squeal "racist" and claim you only think you are smarter because he is black :shrug:
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Actually, Turtledude was the first one to mention race. Nobody said anything about racism until then. Sorry, but you're wrong again.
 
theplaydrive said:
Actually, Turtledude was the first one to mention race. Nobody said anything about racism until then. Sorry, but you're wrong again.
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This is correct, but for some, since no one had mentioned race, it meant race was going to be part of the topic, so they have to bring it up. For others, if race is a topic, you know they will rush to the thread as soon as it becomes about race. Funny how that happens.
 
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