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Are you smarter than The Obama?

Are you smarter than The Obama?


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..Obama was a Lecturer which is below an associate professor or even an "adjunct professor"

semantics. he taught Law for 12 years at the University of Chicago Law School.

did they let him teach for 12 years because he was darker than a brown paper bag?
 
so if you denied being say "stupid" that means you are?

or do you mean that someone who denies that racism exists is a racist?

The latter.

racism is all over the place

affirmative action is a form of racism

What is the definition of "racism"?
 
disregard it all you like, but its highly relevant.

or do you actually believe that the Harvard Law Review allows poor-performers and ignoramuses to be their President?

you seem to ignore the real issue

I never said Obama was stupid

I said he would not have been accepted into harvard law if he had been white since his grades were way below what white males who were normally rejected at a rate of 95% had (under 3.7)
 
...What is the definition of "racism"?

racism is the idea that one race is smarter or better in some way than another race..or that another race is inferior.

affirmative action made no such claims, therefore it was not racist.

was it discriminatory? that's a different story.
 
semantics. he taught Law for 12 years at the University of Chicago Law School.

did they let him teach for 12 years because he was darker than a brown paper bag?


he filled a quota and had been the first black president of the HLR.
 
...I said he would not have been accepted into harvard law if he had been white since his grades were way below what white males who were normally rejected at a rate of 95% had (under 3.7)

you are speculating that only two factors were taken into account when deciding if he would be accepted into Harvard Law:

1. his grades.

2. his race.

do you have ANY evidence to back up this view of yours?
 
he filled a quota and had been the first black president of the HLR.

while the bias of this article is obvious this is a funny take on Obama

Chicago Law School faculty hated Obama

I spent some time with the highest tenured faculty member at Chicago Law a few months back, and he did not have many nice things to say about "Barry." Obama applied for a position as an adjunct and wasn't even considered. A few weeks later the law school got a phone call from the Board of Trustees telling them to find him an office, put him on the payroll, and give him a class to teach. The Board told him he didn't have to be a member of the faculty, but they needed to give him a temporary position. He was never a professor and was hardly an adjunct.

The other professors hated him because he was lazy, unqualified, never attended any of the faculty meetings, and it was clear that the position was nothing more than a political stepping stool. According to my professor friend, he had the lowest intellectual capacity in the building. He also doubted whether he was legitimately an editor on the Harvard Law Review, because if he was, he would be the first and only editor of an Ivy League law review to never be published while in school (publication is or was a requirement).

Consider this: 1. President Barack Obama, former editor of the Harvard Law Review, is no longer a "lawyer". He surrendered his license back in 2008 possibly to escape charges that he "fibbed" on his bar application. ...

4. A senior lecturer is one thing. A fully ranked law professor is another. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, "Obama did NOT 'hold the title' of a University of Chicago law school professor". Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago.

5. The University of Chicago released a statement in March, 2008 saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "served as a professor" in the law school, but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.

6. "He did not hold the title of professor of law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago School of Law.
 
you don't know and you make pronouncements that it exists?

OK now you're just trolling. I ask again? What is the definition of racism?

racism is the idea that one race is smarter or better in some way than another race..or that another race is inferior.

affirmative action made no such claims, therefore it was not racist.

was it discriminatory? that's a different story.

Pretty much. Affirmative action--boy, that's a tough one. I understand what it's trying to do, but aren't there better ways of going at it? But is our White-dominated society (and I'm very sorry to those who deny that fact, but even as a White person, I have no qualms coming clean about this), is it ready for those better ways?
 
OK now you're just trolling. I ask again? What is the definition of racism?



Pretty much. Affirmative action--boy, that's a tough one. I understand what it's trying to do, but aren't there better ways of going at it? But is our White-dominated society (and I'm very sorry to those who deny that fact, but even as a White person, I have no qualms coming clean about this), is it ready for those better ways?

affirmative action is racist from two different perspectives

the first perspective is that punishing more qualified white, jewish or asian applicants because at one time blacks were oppressed is racist because people are being punished or rewarded based on their race rather whether or not they victimized or were once victims of past racial discrimination

more insidious AA is racist because its underlying premise is that blacks are not capable of making normal standards for acceptance into elite schools or competitive jobs without lowering their standards. that is the real racism of affirmative action and the stigma it imposes.
 
Thank you--points I can actually address.

affirmative action is racist from two different perspectives

the first perspective is that punishing more qualified white, jewish or asian applicants because at one time blacks were oppressed is racist because people are being punished or rewarded based on their race rather whether or not they victimized or were once victims of past racial discrimination

1. Are you suggesting that Blacks are no longer oppressed?
2. Are you suggesting that Whites, Jews, and Asians are more qualified on average?

more insidious AA is racist because its underlying premise is that blacks are not capable of making normal standards for acceptance into elite schools or competitive jobs without lowering their standards. that is the real racism of affirmative action and the stigma it imposes.

Actually that is not true. Affirmative action's goal is to increase the probability of racial minorities gaining access to educational and employment opportunities that their White counterparts are assumed to have greater access to due solely to their race.
 
Actually that is not true. Affirmative action's goal is to increase the probability of racial minorities gaining access to educational and employment opportunities that their White counterparts are assumed to have greater access to due solely to their race.

Funny, one's goal can be drastically different then what it actually turns out to be in practice...
 
Oh I know what the goal supposedly is

let me close with a question

if a black knows all he needs to get into his first choice of a college, law school or medical school is say a B average when whites need A averages, why is he going to bust his ass to get an A average when he can coast and get B's

and since it is well known that affirmative action has lead blacks with far lower scores to get admitted what happens to a black doctor who really earned his way into Harvard Medical school? I bet many potential patients wonder if he really deserved to be there

when I was in college I attended a meeting of undergrads who had been nominated for several scholarships (Rhodes, Danforth and Marshalls) to speak with Yale grad students who had won said scholarships. One man in that room was a medical student-a black guy with a rhodes. Now several people near me were making comments like "yeah I wonder how that guy got into Yale med" or "how did he get a rhodes".

well I later ran into that fellow and he approached me since he remembered me in the meeting and we started talking. turns out he was Phi beta Kappa at princeton, was an all american athlete and during the summers he worked at a inner city hospital helping drug overdose victims etc. he was the most qualified guy in that entire room and had the best credentials of the 15 or so Rhodes scholars I know. yet all his life people are going to think he got into that medical school because he was black. and that is why affirmative action really sucks
 
FWIW, I never actually said that Affirmative Action is a good thing. I'm just debating with you guys on what its purpoted goal is.
 
FWIW, I never actually said that Affirmative Action is a good thing. I'm just debating with you guys on what its purpoted goal is.

It's purported goal was changed with the Bakke v. Univ. of Calif. decision. Remediation of past wrongs done to African Americans is no longer legally valid. The only legitimate purpose of AA is to increase diversity because the faddish theory that the Supreme Court bought in to was that diversity is good for education.
 
I rarely ever try to claim i am smarter then anyone... usually its others that tell me im smarter then them XD
 
In conclusion, some people can't handle a black man in the white house.
 
This thread is rediculous. I knew someone "very conservative" started this post from the moment I read it. All this threads intentions are directed at another Obama bashing political feud. Obama is obviously smarter than anyone on this forum or else we would all be former United States Presidents.

If you want to question actual policies or polling on how he/she would handle a political issue differently then Obama, that would be considered respectable, but as to question the intelligence of the President of the United States to fuel another anti-Obama hate thread is pretty childish and deserves little attention from actual adults.

This is why i hardly vote Republican. The dis-respect, hate, question of legitimacy, question of intelligence issues that spew out of GOP supporters only push's me away more. I may disagree with Republican presidents at times, but I still respect them as my president. Its a real shame the way some people are willing to disgrace a president these days. Shame on America for what we are becoming.

I dont like using the word racist unless its really intended, I do believe it gets thrown around alot by democrats to push away credible arguements, but after reading many posts around this political forum I am beginning to think racism is still VERY alive. I understand not all people are racists...but quite a few people I believe HATE obama simply because he is a black man which has become more successful compared to some insecure white people around here could possibly dream of. The sad part is hes not that black.
 
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this isn't another thread for people to whine about the rich in

The only whiner I see is YOU,

President Obama would have to rate as one of the smartest people I have ever known, he was at least smart enough to surround his self with people who knew how to run a campaign, a smart person knows that they do not have to know every thing they just have to know where to get the knowledge they need to make the best decision

In my not so humble opinion President Obama has one glaring weakness he is way to willing to compromise, the republicans have seen this and use it to thier advantage, I hope after he takes both houses back and is re-elected in 2012 he becomes less willing to compromise with the party on NO
 
In conclusion, some people can't handle a black man in the white house.

I am sure that there are some people who don't like a black being in office but I am sure that was more than balanced out by people who voted for Obama merely because he is black

and to claim opposition to him has as a major factor, his skin color is without much merit. furthermore many of those who oppose Obama support Herman Caine or love
quoting Dr Walter Williams. You seem to think that if he was white, people like me who despise welfare socialism and expanding government would embrace this man.

what many people reject are the specious claims that Obama is the brightest president to every occupy the Oval office when there are people who had stronger academic records (Bush I was in the top three of his class at Yale, Nixon at Duke Law, and Clinton a Rhodes Scholar) or far greater accomplishments in their lives before they became President (Bush I again comes to mind)
 
The only whiner I see is YOU,

President Obama would have to rate as one of the smartest people I have ever known, he was at least smart enough to surround his self with people who knew how to run a campaign, a smart person knows that they do not have to know every thing they just have to know where to get the knowledge they need to make the best decision

In my not so humble opinion President Obama has one glaring weakness he is way to willing to compromise, the republicans have seen this and use it to thier advantage, I hope after he takes both houses back and is re-elected in 2012 he becomes less willing to compromise with the party on NO

well there we have it. If EarlzP thinks Obama is one of the smartest people Earl Has met that is conclusive proof of what?

I suggest it means EzP has a very limited universe of smart people but hey, it most likely is an honest comment. For someone like me, who had the ranking student at Yale as one suitemate (Rhodes scholar, president of phi beta kappa) and another guy who went on to be a supreme court clerk and a top supreme court advocate and a third guy who was an international chess master, I guess my standards are a little higher. And I doubt EzP really knows Obama all that well
 
I am sure that there are some people who don't like a black being in office but I am sure that was more than balanced out by people who voted for Obama merely because he is black
Your certainty is unmoving.

and to claim opposition to him has as a major factor, his skin color is without much merit. furthermore many of those who oppose Obama support Herman Caine or love
quoting Dr Walter Williams.
Is this the "one black friend" theory? Nice move...or not.

You seem to think that if he was white, people like me who despise welfare socialism and expanding government would embrace this man.
Really, where did you get that? My comments about racism only stem from people who think he could only get into Harvard because he's black, continue to pull up whatever article they can find that insults his intelligence and work ethic and conclude that black people are inherently less intelligent than whites (which Riverdad did). I don't recall my comments being associated with criticisms of his policies. Remember, it's YOU who brought up race for no reason.

what many people reject are the specious claims that Obama is the brightest president to every occupy the Oval office when there are people who had stronger academic records (Bush I was in the top three of his class at Yale, Nixon at Duke Law, and Clinton a Rhodes Scholar) or far greater accomplishments in their lives before they became President (Bush I again comes to mind)
I have no idea if he was the brightest - never claimed that he was. I do think you have a problem with a black man being in office since you seem far too eager to pull him down in spite of all his accomplishments. You call it like you see it, I call it like I see it.
 
President Obama would have to rate as one of the smartest people I have ever known, he was at least smart enough to surround his self with people who knew how to run a campaign, a smart person knows that they do not have to know every thing they just have to know where to get the knowledge they need to make the best decision.
Certainly smart enough to convince people he was competent initially in 2008.

In my not so humble opinion President Obama has one glaring weakness he is way to willing to compromise, the republicans have seen this and use it to thier advantage, I hope after he takes both houses back and is re-elected in 2012 he becomes less willing to compromise with the party on NO
He did no compromising at all when he had Democratic majority's in the Congress; the new reality now that Congress is split between Republicans and Democrats is he is FORCED to compromise. He's got no choice in the matter.
 
so it is your position that Obama would have been accepted at Harvard law with grades that were several deviations below what 95% of black males were turned down with>

His race has nothing to do with my opposition. My view on welfare socialism has been consistent since I joined this board-2 years before anyone even gave Obama a second thought for the presidency and a year before most people had ever heard of that clown
 
so it is your position that Obama would have been accepted at Harvard law with grades that were several deviations below what 95% of black males were turned down with
I think I've already said that's my position. Is it your position that no white man in the history of Harvard Law has entered with a gpa of 3.3 or below? (If yes, please cite your source. Also, I'm still waiting for testimonies from the dept. of admissions.)

His race has nothing to do with my opposition. My view on welfare socialism has been consistent since I joined this board-2 years before anyone even gave Obama a second thought for the presidency and a year before most people had ever heard of that clown
What you say has no effect on my opinion. I think you have a problem with a black man in office. Some Republicans just have issues with his policies, others have issues with his race and his policies - I think you fall into the latter category.
 
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